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Article Status
What needs to be done to make this article featured? ReverendG 04:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Alot :) It need to meet the criteria at Wikipedia:What is a featured article? and I would think it needs to be as good or better than the other state pages. I think getting every section to the size of a subpage and then splitting them off and having a summary would be a good next step. It should probably end up with 50+ refeences, anything that is controvercial at all needs a reference. -Ravedave 04:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Also, once we think the article is ready, we should have the article peer reviewed before we send the article off for the Featured Article review process. That way, if there are any particular problems that need to be addressed, we can fix them before the FA process. I'm not sure we really need to split everything off into a subpage, though -- if the article is just a number of links to lists, then it won't make FA. On the other hand, there's certainly room to do subarticles that treat sections in more depth. I'm planning to make the History section a good general overview of the state's history, and then after that expand History of Minnesota to include more details and to be more in-depth about things. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 06:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- definitly agree on the peer review. I just mean that if we can make each section large enough to be split off then we will have enough info for a good section in the MN article. Example: The history section is quite large, and pretty well written and that section has a subpage. -Ravedave 14:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Also, once we think the article is ready, we should have the article peer reviewed before we send the article off for the Featured Article review process. That way, if there are any particular problems that need to be addressed, we can fix them before the FA process. I'm not sure we really need to split everything off into a subpage, though -- if the article is just a number of links to lists, then it won't make FA. On the other hand, there's certainly room to do subarticles that treat sections in more depth. I'm planning to make the History section a good general overview of the state's history, and then after that expand History of Minnesota to include more details and to be more in-depth about things. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 06:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- What is needed? First, correct errors. (The proposed North Star commuter line is not light rail; the Iron Range does not include Duluth; and is it really true that rail-borne traffic has declined?) Second, provide more authority (and a search for such citations will reduce the incidence of errors). Third, fill gaps. (A section on Culture which discusses hot dish but fails to mention the Guthrie, Minnesota Orchestra, SPCA, etc. is clearly lacking.) Fourth, provide some analysis, not just lists. Can't a few these lists be relegated to another page? Being new to this game, I'll do some additions (and edits) as time allows but I'm reluctant to delete the work of others. But given the length of the article shouldn't we look to relocate some of the more trivial or highly detailed information (for example, lists of highways)? The history section is good, but is already long even though it ends in 1862. Kablammo 03:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- In progress-- Revise Transportation section; sections for water and air transportation to be added, then redundant info on transportation to be removed from rest of article. Kablammo 17:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Good work! Don't forget air transit. :) -Ravedave 22:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Economy/Industry and Commerce
This section has been revised to put the laundry list of companies into general categories. It however remains a temptation for everyone to add their own favorite company, and several of the better pages for other states do not have such a list. I propose to delete the list of companies (maybe put them in a separate page) but keep a few paragraphs summarizing the states's transition from raw material production to processing and manufacturing, and the more recent growth of service and high-tech industries. That should also shorten the section. Kablammo 20:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- That sounds realistic. I think the list of companies should at least include everything that's in the Fortune 500 (although Cargill is privately held, so I don't think that's on the list.) Basically, I think the standard should be, "What companies do you think of when you think of Minnesota?" Denny's Fifth Avenue Bakery in Bloomington wouldn't make the list, for example. Looking over the list as-is, it looks like a good representation. Maybe Boston Scientific and St. Jude Medical would also make the list as far as biomedical companies go, but Boston Scientific isn't headquartered in the Twin Cities. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 22:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I will restrict mention of named companies to Fortune 500 and private companies of equivalent size headquarted in Minnesota, and delete specific mention of companies which only have branches, plants, etc. in the state. That however would exclude companies established here but now headquarted elsewhere, such as BNSF, Cray, Wells Fargo. Kablammo 16:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Additional Topics
Suggested changes:
- -Add an "Arts" section to "culture"; edit and shorten existing text and retitle it as "Popular Culture"
- -Make "Education" section a subsection of a broader section dealing with Health, Education, and Social Welfare, or words to that effect, and add the missing subsections. Health should touch on U of M research and Mayo. Social Welfare should deal with social services and perhaps also philanthropy. Relevant statistics could be included or cited in these subsections.
- -Somewhere add a section on media?
Are these appropriate? And are there people who can do them? Kablammo 16:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that they are all good ideas. Lets knock those off and then send it to PR for some more ideas. Wikipedia's False Prophet holla at me petition 04:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- I want to finish the history section (i.e. mention briefly the urbanization in the early 20th century and mention the evolution of the healthcare and computer industries in the 1950s/1960s), and flesh out a few other things. Also, I want to edit it to make it more succinct. I should be able to finish that up by midweek next week. (I pretty much have to; I'll be away from July 27 through August 4 or so.) --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 04:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- I started writing a media section, but I think it would just turn into a big list...Also everything would be Minneapolis/Metro centric. Any ideas on how we could get around that?-Ravedave 18:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- We can't cover it all, so all you can really do is an overview. Cetainly WCCO and the Hubbard empire should be mentioned. Many of the outstate papers are now owned by a few large companies, and of course Clear Channel is dominant in radio. And Minnesota Public Radio cannot be ignored (and has a separate article already). But that's about the extent of my knowledge-- glad you are taking this on. Kablammo 18:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- I started writing a media section, but I think it would just turn into a big list...Also everything would be Minneapolis/Metro centric. Any ideas on how we could get around that?-Ravedave 18:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Re: "Make "Education" section a subsection"... How about "Social issues" with Education, Health, Crime, and Social Welfare under it? -Ravedave 18:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree; make it a subsection. I wouldn't use the word "Issues" however. "The Social Milieu"? "The Social Environment"? "Health, Education, and Social Welfare"? Or your list? Matters not to me . . . On other topics-- I'm going to wait for Elkman to do his edit on history before I do another pass at the Economy and Transportation sections. His excellent history touches on some of the things now mentioned there, so I may be able to remove some items (and refrain from adding others) depending on his final edit. Kablammo 21:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- How about Socio-economic conditions? stats about personal income and demographics should probably go in the section as well... -Ravedave 23:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think I'm basically finished with the history section at this point. It might be a little more wordy than the rest of the article -- if that's the case, feel free to edit it down. If I've mentioned something in the history section that's repeated elsewhere, especially in regard to economy and transportation, go ahead and remove it from one or the other if necessary. I'm planning to work on History of Minnesota itself after we're done with the main article (and after I get back from vacation), since that article needs work. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 04:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree; make it a subsection. I wouldn't use the word "Issues" however. "The Social Milieu"? "The Social Environment"? "Health, Education, and Social Welfare"? Or your list? Matters not to me . . . On other topics-- I'm going to wait for Elkman to do his edit on history before I do another pass at the Economy and Transportation sections. His excellent history touches on some of the things now mentioned there, so I may be able to remove some items (and refrain from adding others) depending on his final edit. Kablammo 21:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Crime
If someone wants to expand the crime section there are some interesting topics to cover. Try googling "Minnesota gangster", "red lake shooting", "meth in minnesota", "police history minnesota", "jesse james minnesota", "Minnesota Department of Public Safety", "glensheen duluth murder", and finally "gangs minnesota". -Ravedave 06:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
To be done (as of August 15, 2006)
To be done:
Terain
- Needs to be sourced and edited for better flow.
Flora and Fauna
Add description of types of fauna
Protected Lands
- merge info on outdoor activities (now in Popular Culture) here?
History
add summarization of MN hist (4-6 paragraphs)
Economy
- less 'facty' intro to ease the reader in.
- Industry and commerce—rewrite; limit to Fortune 500
Culture
- Fine arts and architecture
- Add mention of significant authors (Ole Rolvaag, Sinclair Lewis, F. Scott Fitzgerald, etc.); add "letters" to title
- Add a few significant buildings
- Entertainment
- summarize and cut significantly
- Popular Culture
move discussion on outdoor activities to Protected Lands?copyedit and condense
Socio-Economic
Crime and safetydelete refs to metro areaadd discussion and statewide stats on crime rate, incarceration rate, trends
Transportation
correct- add sentence on traffic congestion
- road funding
Politics
- rewrite, reduce
- limit discussion of recent elections
Media
add public radio (partially done)- Note WCCO
Agree? Disagree? No pride of authorship-- edit mercilessly (including text above). Kablammo 16:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Added terrain. Also these are the other state articles that are of Good Article status: Illinois, Kentucky and Michigan. Illinois seems to be the best of them. -Ravedave 02:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Note on style
According to WP:FOOTNOTE, for footnotes, the footnote should be located right after the punctuation mark, such that there is no space inbetween. For example, change blah blah [2]. to blah blah.[2] -Ravedave 03:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Socio-economic?
Might I propose that the "Socio-economic" section be renamed to something like "Social services"? Firstly, socio-economic isn't even a noun, it's an adjective. Secondly, the section really has nothing to do with economics.--Daveswagon 04:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Muhahaha my evil plan to have someone else give the section a good name has worked! Have at it :) -Ravedave 04:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'd prefer an additional opinion on the matter, if possible.--Daveswagon 13:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Biomes
An anonymous editor recently added Minnesota to the list of Great Plains states because of the information in this article's flora and fauna section. While I realize that southern and western areas of Minnesota have an ecology that is very similar to that of the Great Plains, I've yet to come across anything that places any part of Minnesota in the Great Plains proper. – Swid (talk | edits) 20:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Encarta lists it as a Great Planes state.[1]--Daveswagon 21:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Should the word prairie be used instead? Kablammo 23:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Western Minnesota had sod houses, roaming buffalo, and Dakota Indian tribes ... how much more Great Plains-y do ya need to get? Just dig around the USGS site long enough and you'll find plenty of references to western Minnesota being a part of the Great Plains. Or just Google "Northern Great Plains" with "Minnesota" and see how many hits you get.
- This discussion only proves the point that the state is a transition zone. And by their nature transition zones will have features of the zones on either side (in this case, tall and midgrass prairie giving way to the features of the Great Plains). Kablammo 12:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Copy of "Grace"
I think it would be nice to have a copy of the official state photo on this site; you can see it here: [2]. Since it is the official state photo, I'd think there'd be a fair-use copyright, but I don't know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Appraiser (talk • contribs) .
State of hockey
Every week or two someone adds "state of hockey" as a nickname for the state. Did this exist before the wild coined it as a marketing term? All I have seen says that it is a Wild thing so I am removing it for now. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 19:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
How about "The hockey state"? I had no idea about any marketing term, I believe it is an old phrase that may have been adopted by some organization, if that is the case. -Andercee 06:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
APR
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Consider removing links that add little to the article or that have been repeated in close proximity to other links to the same article, as per WP:MOS-L and WP:CONTEXT.Per WP:CONTEXT and WP:MOSDATE, months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.- cant find anyPer WP:MOS, avoid using words/phrases that indicate time periods relative to the current day. For example, recently might be terms that should be replaced with specific dates/times.[1]- Per WP:MOSNUM, there should be a non-breaking space -
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Please alphabetize the interlanguage links.[3]AWB has already sorted themPer WP:WIAFA, this article's table of contents (ToC) maybe too long- consider shrinking it down by merging short sections or using a proper system of daughter pages as per WP:SS.[4]its a long article- This article may need to undergo summary style, where a series of appropriate subpages are used. For example, if the article is United States, than an appropriate subpage would be History of the United States, such that a summary of the subpage exists on the mother article, while the subpage goes into more detail.
There are a few occurrences of weasel words in this article- please observe WP:AWT. Certain phrases should specify exactly who supports, considers, believes, etc., such a view. For example,Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)While additive terms like “also”, “in addition”, “additionally”, “moreover”, and “furthermore” may sometimes be useful, overusing them when they aren't necessary can instead detract from the brilliancy of the article. This article has 30 additive terms, a bit too much.Vague terms of size often are unnecessary and redundant - “some”, “a variety/number/majority of”, “several”, “a few”, “many”, “any”, and “all”. For example, “Allpigs are pink, so we thought ofa number ofways to turn them green.”Temporal terms like “over the years”, “currently”, “now”, and “from time to time” often are too vague to be useful, but occasionally may be helpful. “I amnowusing a semi-bot to generate your peer review.”
As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space inbetween. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2]- Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that the it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 2a. [6]
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Thanks
Kudos to Ravedave, Elkman, Kablammo, and others for recent edits. I think the article is shaping up nicely. Appraiser 01:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks to you too. Heres hoping we can make FA before my daughter is born and I no longer have any time :) - Ravedave (help name my baby) 05:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Climate
This got long so I Archived, see: Climate of Minnesota - Ravedave (help name my baby) 21:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
mnclink|Cityname
I wonder if someone can explain how this (template?) function works. It seems to function as a simple link, but I am wondering what the advantage is to use Template:Mnclink versus just using Rochester, MN I found it in this article, Minnesota's 1st congressional district, but apparently it works on all Minnesota cities. More to my point, I tried it on Mississipi cities by using (as a guess) Template:Msclink but that doesn't work. I don't see any reference to the template (or how to build one) here or on other Minnesota pages. If you can shed any light on that, I appreciate it. --Duff 18:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's a simple template that links to the article "City, Minnesota" but just prints the city name for the link. For example, {{mnclink|Credit River Township, Minnesota}} links to the article Credit River Township, Minnesota but prints the link text as "Credit River Township". You can build a similar one by viewing the source of the {{mnclink}} template and copying it to a new {{msclink}} template. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 06:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Is the template a load on the server? would subst'ing it make sense? -Ravedave (help name my baby) 21:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Updates
Here is whats goin through my head right now. 1. I re-wrote the Protected lands section. Someone should probably look it over. 2) I created Economy of Minnesota in preperation for adding content there and removing from this article. 3) Colorado has lots of sub articles, interesting to look at. 4) When shoudl we go for FA? I think I want another week to work on the article.
Thoughts? -Ravedave (help name my baby) 19:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think the Basilica picture ought to be replaced with one in the public ___domain, since it would be easy to do so. Next time I'm over there in daylight hours I'll take one, but I'm not sure when that will be. On my screen the cited references section has text from column one overwriting text in column two. Although, it would lengthen the article, I think the section should be switched to one column. I made a couple minor changes to Protected Lands. Otherwise that looks good. Appraiser 20:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- cool thanks. Which browser/OS? We should try and get the developers to fix the problem with layout. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 21:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- cool thanks. Which browser/OS? We should try and get the developers to fix the problem with layout. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 21:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm using XP Home with Firefox 2.0 and a 1280 X 768 screen resolution.
- Problem went away (shrug) Appraiser 01:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- There's a missing [citation needed] in the Flora and Fauna section.
- No longer. I linked to the DNR index page, with a map of biomes. It characterizes the southwestern biome as "Prairie Grassland"; which avoids the Great Plains issue discussed earlier. I did not change the text however; if anyone wishes to, feel free. Incidentally, another source for the information would be the Heinselman book (cited in the next foonote) which contains a map characterizing the area as principally "upland prairie".Kablammo 03:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- There are 48 instances on duplicated Wikilinks. Normally, I think the guidelines say to delete all but the first. I'll do that if you think it's a good idea. Appraiser 22:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hrm thats the browser I have, and it looks fine. Screenshot? I added the fact template there because biomes don't seem to be well defined and vary from source to source. Also the source I did find with the great plains showed it ending in the middle of N/S Dakota so I just sort of gave up and fact'd it. I think I may run to the library tonight though. I made a shot at duplicated wikilinks a while back. I think that this article is lengthy enough to suport some duplication. I think hitting the ones that are linked like 5 times is a good place to start. "Superior" was really bad when I cleaned up, it was linked like 8 times. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 23:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the article would also benefit from a separate article on Demographics of Minnesota, moving the tables there, and editing the present text. The age pyramid table is too small (but it does fit well here), and the demographics table is too confusing for a general article. I can do the editing here-- would anyone like to start another page on demographics?Kablammo 04:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I created Demographics of Minnesota. Have at the minnesota page. I will get around to straighting up the subpage after MN gets to FA. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 04:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Terrain
Should terrain be renamed to Geography? The Geological history of Minnesota could then be the main article to that section. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 18:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm cool with that. Appraiser 19:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Also what about changing Geological history of Minnesota to Geology of Minnesota? Usually when something is titled Geology it includes how everything was formed. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 04:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- That makes sense. (I see quite a few articles link to Geological history of Minnesota and should be changed.) Sorry for my error yesterday. Appraiser 13:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- No biggie. I'll use WP:AWB tonight to fix the articles linking to the history. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 15:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Fixed all the links. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 00:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- No biggie. I'll use WP:AWB tonight to fix the articles linking to the history. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 15:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- That makes sense. (I see quite a few articles link to Geological history of Minnesota and should be changed.) Sorry for my error yesterday. Appraiser 13:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Also what about changing Geological history of Minnesota to Geology of Minnesota? Usually when something is titled Geology it includes how everything was formed. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 04:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Stuff to add
Should major festivals be added under culture? I am thinking Aquatennial, Saint Paul Winter Carnival, Minnesota State Fair and maybe some other big outstate ones? How about a mention of the skyway system somewhere? Both Mlps and St.Paul have the longest skyways at 5Miles each. Also the Science Muesum might be worth mentioning. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 00:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- How about the Mill City Music Fest? -Ravedave (help name my baby) 00:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think Minnesota State Fair should be mentioned, with a couple of sentences. I'm sure its attendance is the highest per capita of state fairs. Aquatennial, Saint Paul Winter Carnival, Science Museum, and skyway could be in St. Paul or Minneapolis. I don't know about Mill city music fest, but the 10,000 lakes music festival [3] in Detroit Lakes is big. I was also thinking about expanding tribal government and reservations. They're barely mentioned, and I don't think it should just be a white man's history of the state. (I'm thinking about doing this after submitting for FA.) Appraiser 05:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Iowa may have us beat per capita. I started filling in attendances at State fair this summer, it needs to be finished yet. Do you think you can work something on the Minnesota State Fair into the culture section in the next day or two? I would like to nominate for FA on 11/27/07. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 06:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think Minnesota State Fair should be mentioned, with a couple of sentences. I'm sure its attendance is the highest per capita of state fairs. Aquatennial, Saint Paul Winter Carnival, Science Museum, and skyway could be in St. Paul or Minneapolis. I don't know about Mill city music fest, but the 10,000 lakes music festival [3] in Detroit Lakes is big. I was also thinking about expanding tribal government and reservations. They're barely mentioned, and I don't think it should just be a white man's history of the state. (I'm thinking about doing this after submitting for FA.) Appraiser 05:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
FA nom
Since are working twards FA nom, here are the section and If I think they are ready to be nominated for FA. Remember FA nom doesn't mean the article is perfect, just that it is featured quality. I plan on continuing on the article even after it is FA. marking which section you think are ready below will help figure out where we need to focus. Don't add lists of things to be done, that is bound to get too big :). -Ravedave (help name my baby) 06:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- R = Ravedave thinks its ready for FA
- A = Appraiser thinks it's ready for FA (see notes below)
- Add your name here
- Intro - R, A
- 1 Origin of the name - R, A
- 2 Geography R, A
- 3 History - R, A
- 4 Cities and towns - R, A
- 5 Demographics - R, A
- 6 Economy
- 7 Culture - R
- 8 Socio-economic - R, A
- 9 Transportation - R, A
- 10 Law and government - R, A
- 11 Politics - R, A
- 12 Media - R, A
- 13 Sports - R, A
- 14 State symbols - R, A
- 15 See also - R, A
- 16 References - R, A
- 17 External links - R, A
A - notes: Economy and Culture each have one [citation needed]. Under culture I think a significant amount of the music section should be moved to Music in Minnesota. It currently monopolizes a disproportionate amount of page space. I'll work on that next if someone else doesn't get to it first. Appraiser 03:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- My thoughts on sections that need work:
:Demographics/Religion-- We have figures on % for Christians twice, once in text and once in table. The statements is also made that Jewish population is the result of recent immigrations; that is not the case. Maybe we should just lose the table and have a textual paragraph, as RaveDave once suggested. (The table will still be in the subsidiary article.) I can do this.
- Culture-- we need some mention of letters-- Ole Rolvaag, F. Scott Fitzgerald, etc.
There also should be mention of architecture (the Sullivan bank, Breuer church, Mpls City Hall, new Guthrie). Also needed: Minnesota Orchestra, SPCO. - Politics-- may still be a little long. I think that Eugene McCarthy may be more notable than R.T. Ryback, and we don't need to mention Jesse Ventura twice (and for third parties, Floyd B. Olson is more significant anyway).
Kablammo 19:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with most of your suggestions. Would the architecture paragraph be more suited to Minneapolis though? In politics, I was thinking about deleting the 3 sentences beginning, "Minnesota and the District...", but I'm reluctant to delete someone else's contributions. Perhaps we should start an article Minnesota Politics into which we could move some of it. Appraiser 19:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Agree archetecture is a city thing not a state thing. I would love it if you would paragraph-ize the demog section kablammo, I was going to ask you to do that infact. Kablammo, what do you mean by letters? I am totally in the dark as to what you are talking about. I also agree on creating Poltics of Minnesota (following the style of Politics_by_country), you want to handle that Appraiser/Kablammo? I plan on running the auto peer review again and hitting anything that suggests tonight. Just general cleanup & prose work over the whole article. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 19:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- For architecture, I have been adding name of significant architects to some of the buildings-- we may be able to leave it at that. If they fit, a picture of the interior of the new Guthrie
and the Sullivan bank in Owatonnawould round that part out. Letters = famous authors. I'll take a crack at that. (Two sentences may be enough.)I'll rework the religion section.Kablammo 22:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- For architecture, I have been adding name of significant architects to some of the buildings-- we may be able to leave it at that. If they fit, a picture of the interior of the new Guthrie
- Apparently there is a category all ready for the politics article: Category:Politics_of_Minnesota. Also I added a list of "famous minnesotans" on Talk:List_of_people_from_Minnesota from a book. Maybe we should try and get them into their respective sections. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 19:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Agree archetecture is a city thing not a state thing. I would love it if you would paragraph-ize the demog section kablammo, I was going to ask you to do that infact. Kablammo, what do you mean by letters? I am totally in the dark as to what you are talking about. I also agree on creating Poltics of Minnesota (following the style of Politics_by_country), you want to handle that Appraiser/Kablammo? I plan on running the auto peer review again and hitting anything that suggests tonight. Just general cleanup & prose work over the whole article. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 19:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with most of your suggestions. Would the architecture paragraph be more suited to Minneapolis though? In politics, I was thinking about deleting the 3 sentences beginning, "Minnesota and the District...", but I'm reluctant to delete someone else's contributions. Perhaps we should start an article Minnesota Politics into which we could move some of it. Appraiser 19:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding letters, were you proposing to cover notable literature about Minnesota (Main Street, Little House, Lake Wobegon, etc.) or Minnesota writers in general, or both? Either way, I'd be willing to help. Jonathunder 23:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- All of the above, but just a sampling. Representative MN writers write about pioneer experience (Little House, Giants in the Earth); small-town life brutally satirized by Lewis in Main Street and more gently and affectionately poked fun at by Garrison Keillor; and big-city society by F. Scott Fitzgerald. I think they are the major ones. No mention of poetry but I'm not sure any MN poets have same stature as above names. If you'd like to take a crack at it, go ahead. Kablammo 15:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Pictures
I've added one non-metro picture. I think we should strive for pictures which serve multiple purposes, hence the addition of architects' names to the captions. It would be nice to have a few more scenic pictures.
My thoughts on further changes:
- -A good photo of Duluth's Aerial Lift bridge would be nice. It is an iconic structure, bringing together both road and water transport. Add it to transportation section at the top, with the Hiawatha train below it (maybe offset to the opposite side). Unfortunately the existing pics of the lift bridge are not ideal.
- -I'm personally not enamored of the picture of the quarter.
- -We've lost the one winter picture (train in a drift, which was a little outdated). Is there another one which might suit? A sled-dog team, perhaps?
- -Farming (rolling-fields type) in geography section or logging picture in history?
- -Lake Superior picture? Maybe something like[4] which I suspect is taken from Palisades Head.
On pictures, opinions may vary. Weigh in with your views. Kablammo 15:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- What part of the state you from Kablammo? Appraiser and I are both suburbanites, so we probably have an ingrained cities bias. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 16:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- I like the bank picture. Have you looked in Category:Images of Minnesota? Every time I see a picture where the summary says it's in Minnesota, I add it to the category. It's getting to be a nice collection. The quarter is repeated in the econimy article - it could be replaced here. The train pic is in the climate article; there's also a snowy urban picture there that could be snagged. How about:
![[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lake_Superior_North_Shore.jpg){kind=link}
Appraiser 16:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)