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July 5

Category:Sportspeople from Smithtown, New York

Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:59, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Gymnastics

Nominator's rationale: Upper case G inappropriate. Other sports history categories use lower case for name of sport (e.g., History of association football‎). No Great Shaker (talk) 14:16, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Second City

Nominator's rationale: This is pretty much a WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 12:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:US city of residence user templates

Nominator's rationale: merge, the content of the two categories is largely overlapping. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prince primates

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:NONDEF. In contrast to prince-bishops who were the actual rulers of their own territory, prince-primate was merely a secondary title of the archbishops of Esztergom. They did not rule their own territory. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lion Safari in India

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete too specifick and spammy with it — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:21, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too specific also created by sock. Muhandes (talk) 09:52, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Sports in Hingham, Massachusetts

Nominator's rationale: Small category that only contains 2 redirected articles. TM 12:26, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Residence user templates

Nominator's rationale:  
  1. The difference between two categories is too small.
  2. Make it similar to sister Category:Place of origin user templates, for which there is no Category:Origin user templates

—⁠andrybak (talk) 10:39, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Marcocapelle and Catfurball, what do you think of Category:Place of origin user templates? Maybe there ought to be a much wider discussion? —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Transfeminine male actors

Nominator's rationale: Overly specific. Very few actors specifically identify as transfeminie male. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 02:22, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewel (singer)

Nominator's rationale: All of these articles relate to her works, therefore this should be in the "Works by..." category tree. Per WP:OCEPON, we shouldn't have eponymous categories unless multiple other articles exist. --woodensuperman 09:56, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but the fact that the musicians tree is not following the guideline is no rationale for keep. The guideline WP:OCEPON is quite clear, and the "overall scheme" is the "Works by..." category tree. --woodensuperman 10:23, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The musicians tree was there long before the 'works' tree. Oculi (talk) 10:30, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
By 'overall scheme' I meant - what is your overall vision for this? If it is to replace all eponymous musicians categories with something then what? If it is to replace 'low hanging fruit' then nominate say 100 of them fitting the same criteria (see eg BHG's strategy against portals). AS it is you are bringing random ones piecemeal and it wastes a lot of time. Oculi (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If a musician has multiple works categories, there should be a "Works by" category. Sometimes it would be appropriate for a higher level eponymous category, but per WP:OCEPON, this would be rare: "Practically, even most notable people lack enough directly related articles or subcategories to populate eponymous categories effectively". See Category:Works by filmmaker as a parallel to see how this should work. --woodensuperman 10:43, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep until one or more of her books has an article and thus creates a parallel level of works in a different field to justify. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Works do not need to be in separate fields to justify a works category. See Category:Works by filmmaker, Category:Works by writer, etc, etc. There is nothing to justify an eponymous category, that is the more serious issue per WP:OCEPON. --woodensuperman 07:58, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sara Bareilles

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON, not enough articles that can't be grouped under Category:Works by Sara Bareilles. --woodensuperman 09:41, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of those were legit. The 72nd Tony Awards failed WP:PERFCAT and the other failed WP:OCEPON (we do not categorize people by other people). --woodensuperman 10:19, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Songs recorded by" are most definitely works by an artist, and even if you don't consider a tour to be a work, we do not need an eponymous category for these two subcats. --woodensuperman 10:30, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree about the songs, and about the tours. Oculi (talk) 10:38, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. The other subcats of Category:War in popular culture all have substantial content, but this one stuck out like the proverbial sore thumb, with zero articles and only a single subcat, Category:JVP insurrections in film. After deletion, that category should be placed directly in the two Insurrection parent cats of Category:JVP insurrections in popular culture. Anomalous+0 (talk) 02:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prince-bishoprics of Switzerland

Nominator's rationale: merge, anachronistic categories, these were prince-bishoprics in the Holy Roman Empire before they were absorbed by Switzerland, or by its predecessor the Old Swiss Confederacy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:19, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prince-bishops of Poland

Nominator's rationale: Merge, unncessary category layer with only one or two subcategories each. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Query I think that there may be an anomaly in the Polish case. Was there really a Prince - bishopric of Kracow? From what I saw, there was an ecclesiastical title of Bishop of Kracow and a civil title of Duchy of Siewierz. I don't see anything that links the two other than the person of the bishop who held both titles. Indeed the duchy itself was purchased, not awarded by the Emperor. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Writers who illustrated their own writing

Nominator's rationale: Trivial, non-defining category prone to detritus. Open-ended category would logically include a bazillion comics creators. While many writers illustrate their own work, no one from Dr. Seuss to Clive Barker is commonly categorized as such outside of navel-gazing Wikipedia. --Animalparty! (talk) 06:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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