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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of November 2006. Please move completed November discussions to this page as they occur, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After November, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

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Stub proposers please note: Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.

Category:Italian athletics biography stubs

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Four page parent, 65 double-stubbed. Alai 22:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Support, I have been keeping an eye on the athletics and knew this wasn't far off but didn't realise it was over 60. Most should already be stubbed with the relevent template so only the category needs to be created. Waacstats 22:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

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South Africa split

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The South Africa stub stands at 467. I propose a fairly large split: {{SouthAfrica-university-stub}}, SouthAfrica-union-stub (for trade unions), and {{SouthAfrica-sport-stub}}. I don't have specific numbers yet, but I am fairly sure all of them will reach the standard level.--Thomas.macmillan 17:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

SouthAfrica-union-stub should be {{SouthAfrica-trade-union-stub}}.--Carabinieri 16:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Then it shall be. I wasn't exactly sure.--Thomas.macmillan 22:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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Horseracing-stubs

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This topic has reached over 600 stubs and without doing a full count it appears that

all seem viableWaacstats 11:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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Double-upmerged template watch: geography

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I'd think the first two are worth a category at this stage, and the others, keeping a close eye on. Alai 13:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be Category:New Caledonia geography stubs... AFAIK We don't suppress spaces in category names... Monni 18:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Oops, pesky c'n'p. Thanks, fixed. Alai 19:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Support revised ;) Monni 20:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a reminder that I am indeed keeping a close eye on these. My last count-up was only a week ago, and we've been using 65 as the usual split for national geo-stubs. Having said that, i've no objection to the creation of the first couple. BTW, your tally and mine don't quite agree - I have slightly higher numbers for some of those countries, and two more (Marshalls-geo-stub and CongoR-geo-stub) are also above 45. Grutness...wha? 01:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The above are only for countries with double-upmerged templates, and are only counting articles in both stub categories, as of the 31st. Alai 01:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
That explains it - my count was on the 7th, and I don't think we have either a Marshalls-stub or a CongoR-stub. Grutness...wha? 02:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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{{dragonfly-stub}}

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A division of {{insect-stub}}, for dragonflies and damselflies and related articles. Redirect from {{damselfly-stub}} for convenience.

60 stubs, at least:
1-10: Anax (dragonfly), Amethyst Dancer, California Dancer, Emperor (dragonfly), Emerald Damselfly, Common Bluetail, Common Blue Damselfly, Common Darter, Hine's Emerald Dragonfly, Four-spotted Chaser.
11-20: Flame Skimmer, Giant Hawaiian Darner, Hairy Dragonfly, Hine's Emerald Dragonfly, Orange-spotted Emerald, Mexican Amberwing, Migrant Hawker, Norfolk Damselfly, Orthetrum v. villosovittatum, Variable Damselfly.
21-30: Vagrant Darter, Variable Dancer, Variable Darner, Variegated Meadowhawk, Western Meadowhawk, Red-eyed Damselfly, Red-veined Darter, Southern Emerald Damselfly, Small Red-eyed Damselfly, Scarlet Skimmer.
31-40: Scarlet Dragonfly, Scarlet Dwarf, Lavender Dancer, Familiar Bluet, Green Darner, Keeled Skimmer, Dainty Damselfly, Azure Damselfly, Banded Demoiselle, Beautiful Demoiselle.
41-50: Common Hawker, Banded Darter, Broad-bodied Chaser, Brown Hawker Lesser Emperor, Blue-tailed Damselfly, Large Red Damselfly, Pantala flavescens, Zyxomma, Sympetrum.
51-60: Diplacodes, Celithemis, Celithemis eponina, Neopetalia punctata, Macromiidae, Gomphidae, Corduliidae, Blue-eyed Darner, Calopterygidae, Coenagrionidae.
There are more, either not marked as {{insect-stub}} or not marked as a stub at all. Plus there will be many more as each species is filled in. A2Kafir 22:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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Joinery Stubs

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added to WPSS

I just added the WikiProject: Stub sorting. template to the Category:Joinery stubs page, as it is a current stub category, but is not aparently in the project. -Ohms law 14:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Not all categories have the template because that is a relatively new template; there were already several hundred categories in use when it was created, and not all of them have had it added yet. Grutness...wha? 01:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
just for the sake of clarity, we should be adding the W:SS template to stub category pages that do not currently have it correct? That's what it sounds like you're saying, but you didn't come straight out and say it. -Ohms law 09:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
mainly yes. We should be adding it to ones that have been cleared through either the proposal or discovery page. Ones that haven't been shouldn't have it on until we've decided what top do with them. Grutness...wha? 10:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I see. Thank you! -Ohms law 14:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

So what do you guys want to do about it? Leave it alone? create a woodworking stub? rename the joinery stub category to Category:Woodworking stubs?? Luigizanasi 02:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

name?

The template actually says "This article about joinery, carpentry or woodworking is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it". Perhaps the stub should simply be woodworking stub, since that would indicate a wider field of inclusion in my mind. -Ohms law 14:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Just for your information, we started using it as the only available stub related to woodworking when we started the Woodworking Wikiproject rather than create a proliferation of stubs for each topic. I added the words carpentry and woodworking to the stub description. There is also a Template:Carpentry-stub which User:Grutness redirected to the joinery one. Previous discussion on the redirect in the stub sorting page is here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Criteria/Archive9#.7B.7Bjoinery-stub.7D.7D.3F. Note that joinery in the sense used by the stub is referred to a finish carpentry and millwork in North America where joinery usually refers to woodworking joints. In my opinion, it would be OK If someone wants to create a woodworking stub and ensure that the others redirect there, but I am not particularly hung up on it since I have been using the joinery one for quite a while. Luigizanasi 17:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm fine with the way it is, now that I know some of the history. The thing is, as a new stub-sort'er it did take me a while to find the proper stub to use. That being the case, could we expect someone who doesn't usually put articles into a stub category to know that the proper one to use is "joinery-stub"? That's the root of my concern.
just to add some references to the discussion here, the definitions for joinery [1], woodworking [2], and carpentry [3]. From looking over the above definitions, it seems logical to me for everything to be under the umbrella of woodworking (and therefore woodworking-stub would be the stub). In addition to their being past history on this subject, I'm still to new at this to feel comfortable in continuing this line of reasoning to it's logical conclusion. I do feel that the information provided above should be usefull in coming to a consensus, however. -Ohms law 18:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

This is all a while ago, so my memory might not be 100% accurate, but ISTR that carpentry and joinery have somewhat different meanings in different countries (here, for instance, joinery implies furniture and fittings, carpentry implies buildings) - as such it made sense to have both stub types point at the same category. Since there is a redirect, there's nothing to stop anyone using carpentry-stub in place of joinery-stub as a tag for articles - the result will be the same. This has worked fine so far, though if there's a call to reoppen the idea of splitting them, that's fine by me, as long as it's clear what should be marked with which stub. Grutness...wha? 01:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I would be opposed to splitting, it's useful to have all woodworking related stubs in one place. Whether the category is called Category:Joinery stubs is immaterial to me, although I admit it would be neater if the category was Category:Woodworking stubs. But having several stub templates such as joinery-stub, carpentry-stub, and perhaps woodworking-stub is OK and maybe even better, as long as they all point to the same category. Luigizanasi 06:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Linguistically, I'm in the joiner(y) camp, but yes, this should really follow the name of the permcat (with template redirects as you suggest). Alai 12:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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Gold Coast Stubs

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To be covered by WP Gold Coast.

About 30 stubs will fit this type.

Nathannoblet 06:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Looks reasonable if there are 30 or more. The only problem I can see is that "Gold Coast" is a disambiguation page (in fact, my first thought was the place now known as Ghana) - and I only live just across the ditch from Queensland!). Might I suggest that it be called {{GoldCoastQLD-stub}} or similar to get around that? Also, the usual caveats about double-stubbing apply (that is, geo-stubs about Gold Coast get marked with both this new stub and Queensland-geo-stub, struct-stubs with the new stub and Australia-struct-stub, etc etc etc, so that they are also stubbed by type as well as ___location). Grutness...wha? 06:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I had the same feeling, Grutness (well, I could be biased. Half of Europe had colonies in Ghana, including you-guessed-it) :) What do we do with the category name? We'd better be able to distinguish between the two. Category:Gold Coast, Queensland stubs ? Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 11:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The article and permcat are both called Gold Coast, Queensland, so that would make perfect sense. And yes, I know about Christiansborg Castle, Accra ;) Grutness...wha? 12:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
(Jaw hitting floor). Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 14:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
:) My dad used to work in Ghana. Grutness...wha? 23:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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Uttar Pradesh ___location subtypes

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Five page parent, these look to be over threshold. Alai 22:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Support, there is a need of further stubs based on the Divisions of Uttar Pradesh, as not only the Agra, Bareilly and Lucknow geo stubs are very large. There are in all 17 divisions!! STTW (talk) 10:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Those were the only ones I found that look like being over 60, though of course I'm open to correction on that. If anyone is feeling zealous, I'd suggest creation of all 70 per-district templates, upmerged either to district categories, or to the UP parent. Alai 11:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
OK! I will do that but after I am finished sorting the {{India-bio-stub}}. STTW (talk) 12:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
There's no hurry on that, the first couple should take care of the immediate oversizedness. And more power to you if you reduce that of the bios... Alai 15:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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Tamil Nadu ___location subtypes

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Five-page parent. Alai 21:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Support both this and the UP ones, if they will help to erode the size of the parent cats (ba-doom-ching!) Grutness...wha? 00:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Tajikistani people stubs

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Needed for {{Tajikistan-bio-stub}}. Jahangard 05:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

No it isn't. That category has been deliberately upmerged into a larger category, since there are not enough Tajikistani biography stubs for a separate category. Currently there are only 27 stubs marked with this template - note the requirements listed above for separate categories. Grutness...wha? 05:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Including them in Category:Asian people (without being in any subcategory) is simply useless (because Category:Asian people is too large). Also, the term Asian people is misleading in this case, because it's mostly used for East Asians. Jahangard 07:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
That's only because there are more east Asians with stubs - if it is true, which it doesn't seem to be by looking at that category. In any case, it also directs to Category:Tajikistan stubs, which is a logical place to look for them. Grutness...wha? 09:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
In fact, there are only some 150 articles in that category (which is Category:Asian people stubs, not Category:Asian people), so finding Tajikistani ones should be no problem at all. Many of the others there seem to be from Armenia and Georgia, which isn't really East Asia by anyone's definition of the term. Grutness...wha? 09:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
About the small number of the articles, what is the threshold? Where is the policy page? Jahangard 07:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
As I mentioned, have a look at the top of the page. To quote from there: 60 articles or more, or 30 or more if associated with a WikiProject. For more explicit details, see WP:STUB, which saysIdeally, a newly-created stub type will have between 100 and 300 articles. In general, any new stub category should have a minimum of 60 articles. This threshold is modified for the stub category for use by a WikiProject. (If a Wikiproject is associated with more than one stub type, normal size considerations apply.) Given that there is no WikiProject for Tajikistan, there are fewer than half the number that are required. Directing a template such as this one to a more general category, as has been done here, is standard practice when there are below this threshold number of stubs. If you can find another 30-35 stubs which can be marked with this template, then there will be no problem creating such a category - but until there are that many, directing it to the larger categories is a more sensible thing to do. Grutness...wha? 09:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
BTW, I've just rolled back your change to the template - please don't mess around with it. Removing a perfectly acceptable category from it - one that is the result of a discussion only a couple of weeks ago - could easily be considered vandalism. Grutness...wha? 09:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
A perfect acceptable category?! I have already mentioned why it's not appropriate in this case.
A result of the discussion in a couple of weeks ago?! In that discussion 4 users participated and among them only you have mentioned using this category. Jahangard 09:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Outsider's 2c: Jahangard, I suggest you give it a rest. While Grutness' response may have been a bit harsher than strictly necessary, I can't see anything wrong with the solution he's been advocating. Just look at how these articles show up both in Category:Asian people stubs and in Category:Tajikistan stubs, that seems to make perfect sense to me and is in accordance with common stub sorting practice. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
You explained why having it link to Category:Asian people was inappropriate. I agree - but it never linked there. It links, perfectly acceptably and approriately, to Category:Asian people stubs, which only contains 131 stubs, many of them for people from around central Asia (not, as you claim, for people in East Asia). Unless you'd like to argue that Tajikistan is not in Asia, i don't see how you can suggest that this is not an appropriate category. As for the discussion, the number of people involved was small, yes, but that is hardly relevant to the fact that a decision was reached and carried out through propoer process, that decision being to upmerge the template. Since the template is a bio-stub template, the only logical place it could be upmerged is to the next higher bio-stub category on the hierarchy, that is, Category:Asian people stubs. This is standard stub practice when a category is upmerged - Since there are too few articles currently to have a Category:Tajikistani people stubs, the template redirects to Category:Tajikistan stubs and to the next higher Category:X people stubs - in this case, Asia. Now, are you going to address my earlier suggestion and find a couple of dozen more stubs so that you can have the category you want, or are you far happier yelling at me? I know which I'd prefer, which is why I've been trying to find a few more Tajikistan-bio-stubs myself. If you would like to do something useful and help in that task, it would be much appreciated. Grutness...wha? 10:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Virginia university stubs

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The result of the debate was do not create.
I've been horrendously bold, and created this as a new home for the soon-to-be-deleted UVa type. If it turns out to be too small, or generally unwanted, I've no objection to upmerging it. Alai 17:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{classical-lit-stub}} / Category:Classical literature stubs

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The result of the debate was no consensus.
To be located under Category:Classical antiquity and Category:Literature stubs, to include Latin, Greek, and any other text that falls into this period and is not poetry, drama, or myth. We need something for items which are not books per se from this era. Count coming... Her Pegship 14:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, the count is: 50, under Category:Ancient Greek works and Category:Latin texts (which, of course, are not all from the classical antiquity period). I can keep trolling, but if this doesn't sound workable to y'all I will cease & desist, and get back to categorizing. Her Pegship 03:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this instead as or as well as the latin-lit-stub suggested at WP:SFD? Grutness...wha? 03:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I withdrew that one after further musing. Her Pegship 07:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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{{India-scientist-stub}}

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The stub category {{India-bio-stub}} needs to be sorted as it is too large now. The number of articles related to scientists is over 60 and growing. STTW (talk) 21:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

As per Alai's suggestion below, I would also like to propose {{India-academic-bio-stub}} as a further stub split as there are more than 60 stub articles belonging to this sub category. STTW (talk) 15:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was create/keep.
Stub template created before approval, sorry. ({{Houston-stub}}. Need template to identify articles associated with the project that need development. Thanks, Postoak 06:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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{{Colombia-footy-bio-stub}} / Category:Colombian football biography stubs

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At 56 stubs, this double-stubbed upmerged template is surely ready to "go legit", even in the (I'd think unlikely) event there's not another four scuttling around someplace. Alai 02:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

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Category:19th century novel stubs

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The novels stubs are oversized again, and while they probably mainly are in need of more catting, which has become quite low, or manual sorting, it looks like the above would just about fly, at 61. Alai 22:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{rock-band-stub}} / Category:Rock musical group stubs

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Mooted in passing about a year and a half ago, I can't quite believe we don't have this. Seems to be the only viable subcat for band-stub, which is five articles away from being officially oversized (it already spills onto a fifth listings page). Alai 07:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

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Trinidad and Tobago stubs

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There are 35 of these just counting the trade unions and the buildings and structures. Template should probably be named {{Trinidad-stub}} as the geo-stub template is {{Trinidad-geo-stub}}.--Carabinieri 20:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

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Education subcats

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Parent is oversized. We may wish to make the first simply Category:European education stubs, depending on whether we want to conform to the permcat, or the usual stub pattern. Alai 06:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's better to conform with the usual stub pattern.--Carabinieri 19:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:United States manufacturing company stubs

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Didn't I already propose this? Can't find a link to same. Viable on double-stubbing alone (69). Alai 08:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Southern Gospel Stubs

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The result of the debate was create as US-southern-gospel-stub.
There are currently 93 listings in the category "Southern gospel performers" and it is safe to say that nearly 90% of them are stubs. Most of the stubs in this category are listed as {{US-singer-stub}}. I don't feel that this stub is specific enough and contains thousands of names in its holds. I feel like people who are familiar with the genre of Southern Gospel would be more prone to expanding articles if the stub {{Southern-gospel-stub}} was created. T. White 12:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. You might want to scope it as US- same, since if we're splitting singer-stubs by genre as well as by country, that's the more profitable area for same. Alai 05:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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Battlestar Galactica stubs {{Galactica-stub}}

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Following in the footprints of such stubs as {{Babylon5-stub}}, {{StarTrek-stub}} and {{EastEnders-stub}}, the Battlestar Galactica stub category would categorize the large (and ever-growing) number of BSG related articles that need work. --BlueSquadronRaven 22:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

  • There actually used to be one of these, but it was deleted as underused and poorly named (it was at BG-stub)... but if you're right about this being fast-growing, perhaps it's more viable now. There appears to be a WikiProject, albeit a small one, so that cuts the necessary stubcount down to about 30. Is this likely to have 30 current articles that can use it? If so, I don't see any problems with a {{BattlestarGalactica-stub}}. But I'd like to know the numbers first! Grutness...wha? 23:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • (ec)Assuming there's at least 30 (given that there's WP:BSG), seems sensible. Alai 23:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
A quick look through Category:Battlestar Galactica and subcategories came up with fifty articles marked as stubs, spanning both the old and new versions of the show, in articles on episodes, actors, characters and miscellaneous subjects. --BlueSquadronRaven 04:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Question If this stub category meets approval, how would people feel if I created it as either {{BSG-stub}} or {{Galactica-stub}} for sake of brevity? --BlueSquadronRaven 04:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Personally I've no objection to {{Galactica-stub}}, but I'd have a BIG objection to BSG-stub. BSG is a disambiguation page, to start with, and it's not instantly obvious to an outsider what BSG would stand for - see my note above as to one of the reasons the original Battlestar Galactica stub was deleted. Grutness...wha? 04:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Galactica is also a disambig page, as it turns out, however, it's not as extensive as BSG and the Battlestar reference trumps the other two, I think. Unless there's further objections, I'll make it Galactica-stub. --BlueSquadronRaven 04:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd support that template name. Note that the category should use lower-case 's': Category:Battlestar Galactica stubs. Alai 13:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Done. Proposal altered. --BlueSquadronRaven 17:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone, for your input. The stub template and category has been created. --BlueSquadronRaven 04:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

New Zealand structures

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I've just been through Category:New Zealand stubs sorting out the new templates, one of which was NZ-struct-stub, currently upmerged into Category:Oceanian building and structure stubs. I was surprised to discover 70 stubs that could take the NZ-struct-stub template - enough for a separate category. it would leave the Oceanian parent a little thin at 41 stubs, but I'll have a hunt aroundf to see if that can be increased (in any case, it would be 41 stubs plus plus four child categories, so it's not too dreadful). I'd therefore like to propose a separate Category:New Zealand building and structure stubs. Grutness...wha? 10:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Ranunculales stubs

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Plant stubs are oversized again; fixable with sorting to existing types, but I note that this would also be viable, at 78. (Technically I'm breaking the 'singular noun phrase', but singularising scientific Latin clade names doesn't seem like too good a plan.) Alai 05:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Support, the category is already big enough, and important group evolutionarily and horticulturally. I'm not certain though, if this page is about supporting or not, but I do support this as a useful stub category, as certaily it is one I would peruse for articles to work on, and it is much easier in plant articles to work on groups at a time. KP Botany 20:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Support is always welcome, though to be honest there's splits where anything short of entrenched opposition would be construed as adequate consensus. :) Alai 20:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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{{Gosford-geo-stub}} / Category:Gosford suburb geography stubs

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The NSW geo stubs are oversized again; only sensible-looking split I can find is the 67 articles in Category:Suburbs of Gosford, New South Wales. Alai 04:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

University of Virginia stubs

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Propose Category:University of Virginia-stub to associate with the University of Virginia WikiProject. At least 30 articles would fall under this cat. Jazznutuva 16:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Per the naming guidelines, that would be {{UniversityofVirginia-stub}}, or something similar without spaces, and Category:University of Virginia stubs. For that and other reasons, better to "propose" something before creating it. Alai 17:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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Haitian people stubs

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Propose Category:archivin. Both parent cats, Category:Haiti stubs and Category:Caribbean people stubs, have over 200 articles. At least 70 articles would fall under the new cat. Jwillbur 22:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Canadian comedian stubs

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I haven't done much hunting yet, but I'm amazed such a category doesn't already exist (esp since UK-comedian and US-comedian already do). Comedy is practically one of Canada's biggest exports. --Arvedui 07:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Those latter exist because there were a sufficient number of such stubs, and because they were urgently needed due to a vast excess of stubs in the parent. (Not because we think USians and Brits are funnier than Canadians. Necessarily.) I can find 28 possibilities: is there in fact anything like 60? Alai 07:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Which main category did you check? At present, there are about 1100 people in the Category:Canadian people stubs along with ~450 in Category:Comedian stubs. I can't believe at least 60 of them wouldn't be both Canadian and comedians. Is there an easier way to check than by looking at each one in turn? (By the way, is it kosher to put something in more than one stub category at once?) --Arvedui 02:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I only checked the former; throwing in the latter, it does seem to just about creep over threshold (62). My 'easier way' is a little on the difficult side: see the discussion on tools at WT:WSS. Adding multiple stub tags is OK, and sometimes necessary (i.e. to this point, a Canadian comedian should in theory have been in both of the categories you mention). Alai 04:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, that's a support, btw. Alai 04:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Splits of dinosaur-stub and paleo-stub

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The result of the debate was create archosaur-stub, pterosaur-stub, ichthyosaur-stub, paleo-fish-stub, paleo-mammal-stub.

The recent sfd discussion of the horrible "dinobird-stub" has alerted me to the close-to-overpopulated dinosaur and paleontology stub categories, which have about 1200 stubs between the two of them. I'd like to suggest the following as potential splits: From {{dinosaur-stub}}:

From {{paleo-stub}}:

Note that lower order stubs (such as {{sauropod-stub}} may also be useful, since simply dividing dinosaurs into ornithischia and saurischia is still going to leave two fairly large categories. Note also that I haven't done a tally, so these are on the proviso that they're each a reasonable level. I doubt these will all be viable, but several of them will be, and at the very least templates for the others may be worthwhile, even if upmerged into larger categories. Grutness...wha? 05:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Possibly {{theropod-stub}}, especially for those which are now classified with both {{dinosaur-stub}} and {{paleo-bird-stub}} (the latter could usually be retained). There are several taxa for which this would apply. Dysmorodrepanis 05:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Going by the perm-cats, here's what seems to be viable (or ballpark-close):

Usual caveats about the whackiness of the category tree apply. Alai 09:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I think stubs such as {{archosaur-stub}}, {{pterosaur-stub}}, {{ichthyosaur-stub}}, {{|paleo-fish-stub}}, and {{paleo-mammal-stub}} might very well be useful. I'd use them, anyway. There's long been a need for them, as I've been sorting since February.

However, I don't like the idea of {{ornithschia-stub}} or {{saurischia-stub}}, for multiple reasons. One, "Ornithischia" is the correct spelling, not "Ornithschia". Not a big deal, until you think about the number of times that template will be misspelled. Let's keep it simple, if possible. People know how to spell "Dinosaur"; and the word "Dinosaur" has name recognition that S&O simply don't have, while still being a scientifically valid name. Secondly, there are many dinosaurs which don't "shoehorn" easily into Saurischia or Ornithischia: the Herrerasaurs, for example, which may predate the S/O split. In my work on Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs, I've come across dozens of reptiles which are "probably dinosaurs" but which cannot be classified further, based on the material. Less-well known reptiles ("possibly dinosaurs", "definitely not dinosaurs", "indeterminate vertebrates formerly considered dinosaurs") have been sent to various other categories. I'd rather keep the dinosaurs seperate from the other stuff, if possible. And it's easier to monitor the 1,200 dinosaur articles if they're not in a hodge-podge of different stub categories. Firsfron of Ronchester 10:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

My fault about the spelling of ornithischia (you're right, of course - I was going from moderately distant memory). We can leave that in one section for now if it's preferred, but it is getting pretty big at about 580 stubs. If splitting at the next level down is more useful, then perhaps putting the theropods into one subcategory would be useful. remember that I'm not talking about removing the current stub types - simply adding a subcategory or two. As far as the non-dinosaur stubs, another possible subtype which might be useful which i thought of after my intial proposal if there are enough of them is {{Therapsid-stub}}. If Alai's counts are anything to go by, it may not reach the standard threshold, though. I'd say that - barring any objections - it looks like paleo-mammal-stub is definitely a good place to start if there are around 350 of them (including the placental ones). Grutness...wha? 12:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I only pointed out the misspelling because I worry about misspellings in the future. If perfectly intelligent users such as yourself have difficulty spelling it, imagine how hard it will be for all of those dino-fancruft people who are constantly adding misspelled content to Wikipedia (and there are dozens every day! :( ). I've got all the dinosaur pages on my watchlist, and you would be surprised at the poor quality of many of the additions. "Dino-bird" isn't even all that bad when considered with other contributions.
Some questions: Would these templates be used in addition to or replacing the existing dinosaur-stub tag? I really don't like the idea of adding a second stub tag. Some of these articles are so short that (1)adding a second tag would mean most of the content would be at the bottom of the page, and (2)since I use pop-ups to determine the size of the shortest articles and list them on the short dinosaur article page, I would need to account for the size (in bytes) of the tags themselves, which is a bit of a pain.
If they replaced the existing tag, which category would they then appear in? This is something that worries me, too. The WikiProject Dinosaurs team has just spent the last 10 months categorizing every dinosaur article on Wikipedia. We have articles for every last one on the List of dinosaurs (four new ones were added today, so I haven't had time to make articles for them yet). Each dinosaur appears in at least three categories: Era, Family, and Continent (except for a few dinosaurs which are invalid; they appear in an Invalid dinosaurs category). The problem with the above proposal is that it doesn't take into account all of the Family-level categories: there's no mention of an Ankylosaur-stub category, no mention of a Stegosaur-stub category, or Hadrosaur-stub category, or Thyreophoran-stub category, or Therizinosaur-stub category, etc, even though these exist as populated categories. One major problem I forsee is that these articles will end up being listed in multiple categories, with short stub articles being listed in more categories than similar articles that aren't stubs, and with no regard for the current classification scheme. We've just spent ten months cleaning up these articles, categorizing them and sorting them, and this sounds like a bit of a huge mess. Firsfron of Ronchester 18:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
(ec)The general practice is indeed to replace the existing stub tag (other than where there's overlap, rather tha strict inclusion, which doesn't appear to be the case here, give or take the taxonomic uncertainty). So they'd appear in a sub-category of the dinosaur stub category: all other categorisation would obviously not be changed. I didn't mention the family-level possibilities as they don't appear to be large enough: I did nearly mention the Thyreophorans, at 41, which would have been next on the list, but since categorisation seems to be quite good, and a split isn't at all urgent, it seemed unlikely to be a going concern. However, it's certainly an option to create per-family templates, feeding into broader stub categories. Might be a good idea, as the families are more familiar -- not to say, easier to spell. Alai 21:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The new stubs would replace dinosaur-stub (or paleo-stub) on many current articles, but both stub templates and categories would still exist as base types. The articles would be categorised into new subcategories of Category:Dinosaur stubs and/or Category:Paleontology stubs as an extension of the stub tree, in exactly the same way that Category:Rodent stubs is a subcategory of Category:Mammal stubs which is itself a subcategory of Category:Animal stubs, while {{mammal-stub}} and {{animal-stub}} are still regularly in use. Thus the main Category:Paleontology stubs would appear emptier in terms of articles, but would have more subcategories (and the same with Category:Dinosaur stubs). The above propsal doesn't mention ankylosaurs, hadrosaurs or stegosaurs simply because none of these are likely to reach a viable level of 60 stubs - those articles could simply remain marked with dinosaur-stub until such time as there are enough articles to warrant separate categories, or alternatively they could be marked with upmerged templates (that is, stegosaur-stub etc could be made but feed into the main Category:Dinosaur stubs).This is why my initial suggestion was just for a basic split into the two main categories of dinosaur, with the added comment that subdividing might be useful. Grutness...wha? 21:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

What about splitting paleontologist-stub (which presently, like paleo-stub, captures non-dinosaur entries as well)? Jackrepenning 23:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Paleontologist stubs only has 83 stubs - not big enough to really consider splitting. And in any case, a significant proportion of paleontologists would be involved in the study of both dinosaurs and other fauna of the same era, so splitting it could be a problem. If we were to split it, splitting by nationality would probably be a more sensible way to go, as per other bio-stub types. Grutness...wha? 00:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I concur. There's only three permanent subcats by paleo-speciality, dinos not being one of them. Alai 00:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

This seems to have been more contentious than I initially thought... still, there seems to be enough support at least for the following:

Revisiting the dinosaur category at a later date seems like a reasonable option - at least this has opened us up to some possibilities such as splitting out theropods. Unless there are any objections, the five above at least seem like they can be proceeded with. Grutness...wha? 01:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Jewish Schools stub

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The result of the debate was create yeshiva-stub, upmerging cat.
I counted about 45 Jewish school stubs. That might seem like a small number, but trust me; it's needed. Many Jewish schools operate under Hebrew or Yiddish names that are hard to spell, look up, or even recognize as schools; most Jewish articles are under Hebrew or Yiddish titles, so it's hard to differentiate between subjects. Catchthedream 03:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Why does this argue for a stub type, as opposed to an ordinary category, if the issue is simply one of finding the articles? Schools are being sorted by ___location, I'm not at all sure we want to start double-tagging them by "ethos". Alai 05:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I see your point, but I have to qualify. For the user genuinely interested in Jewish schools -- which are, by the way, already listed under the Judiasm stubs -- finding such schools proves tedious. Plus, the schools are arguably already listed by "ethos"; most of them are not listed under the other tags for school stubs. --Catchthedream 06:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm not commenting on the use of the Judaism stub tag, which seems fine, but whether we should split up the school-stubs on that basis. It would certainly have to be in addition to a geographical tagging, since surely most "interested editors" are going to be so primarily on the basis of ___location (though granted not all), and combined with the fact that there's strictly speaking too few... But just to make sure we're on the same page here: are we talking about "day schools", or yeshivas? Alai 06:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Hmm. Again, I see your point. I was talking about both. --Catchthedream 01:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
          • I'd think that day schools are most appropriately tagged as <region>-school-stubs. For the religious schools, I can easily believe they wouldn't be tagged as school-stubs at present (and I'm not quite sure if it's even entirely appropriate they should be), so I could see a case for them, but if there's even fewer of those... What about a {{yeshiva-stub}} template, upmerged to Category:Judaism stubs until the size issue is less of a gotcha? Alai 04:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Gaelic sports stubs

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The result of the debate was creating hurling-stub & upmerge cat, rename gaelic-sport to gaelic-games.
We have over 200 stubs in this category and a quick count would suggest half are bio stubs so I would like to propose Category:Gaelic sports biography stubs and {{Gaelic-sports-bio-stub}}. Waacstats 20:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no permanent parent, though (at least that leaps out of me). One might be created, but what about a hurling/football split? (With all apologies to the hardball handball players.) I also note that the current stub cat is Category:Gaelic Athletic Association stubs. Alai 22:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Am going to mention this over at WP:GAA. As for a new stub i agree their is a need for football/hurling split and possibly a stub for GAA clubs as their as currently over 35 over these (Gnevin 22:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC))
35 is a bit low for a stand-alone category, though it's never too early to start populating upmerged templates, sez I. Alai 22:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
perhaps further division is needed into counties/provinces??--Macca7174 15:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this the correct place to suggest that {{gaelic-sport-stub}} be renamed as {{gaelic-games-stub}} (19:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC))
Technically you'd want WP:SFD for that, but if you don't require mass-moves of the usages or deletion of the old template as a redirect (and I don't think there's any need), I suggest you just go ahead and do it -- either move and leave the redirect, or create a redirect at the above redlink. Alai 20:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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Logic

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The result of the debate was no consensus.
Logic-related stubs are either categorized with {{philo-stub}}, {{math-stub}}, or {{mathlogic-stub}}. It is often the case that something categorized as one could have just as easily been categorized as another (e.g., most foundational topics in logic are applicable to both philosophical and mathematical logic).

Some examples: Atomic formula Illicit minor Illicit major Inverse (logic) Logical constant Modal operator Ternary logic Semantics of logic The Laws of Thought T-schema

Simões (talk/contribs) 02:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

There's obviously some overlap, but there's also a difference in terminology, and as many of these articles are about the terminology... What are you suggesting we do with the existing mathematical logic stubs: merge them en masse? Restub the ones that seem most overlappy? Alai 03:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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1960s albums

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A couple new stub types are requested; one for 1960s albums in general, and one for 1960s rock albums. At present we have a 1960s pop album stub, but none for 1960s albums in general or for rock albums in particular. There are presently stub templates for pop albums, rock albums, and albums in general for the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s. Adding the two missing 1960s templates would make sense and help to classify things better. Owen 23:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Sounds like a reasonable idea, assuming there are plenty of stubs - any idea of the numbers? Grutness...wha? 23:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I count... 12. Total, between the two. However, I was only looking in the album-stubs (obviously many have already been moved into more specific types, especially by genre), and many (many, many) album stubs lack genre (or artist) categories, or by-years categories, or both, so the actual potential population could be anything, really. Like Grutness, I'd be all in favour of one or both, if they're at all sensibly-sized. Alai 02:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I've been working on cleaning out the rock album stubs category, and it's looking like there's quite a lot of 1960s albums listed there. It's hard to give any accurate count, but even by the most conservative estimate there's well over 30 rock albums. I haven't looked so much at general 1960s albums yet, though I'm sure that one would be put to good use as well. Owen 12:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I just went ahead and started the rock stub category. The other category is necessarily simply because it is the root of two existing categories (1960s rock albums, and 1960s pop albums). Owen 00:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
        • So far as I know, there's nothing in the guidelines to the effect that the stub hierarchy must be a complete lattice (and by the self-defeating logic of IAR, presumably if there were, we'd either follow or ignore it at whim), so I don't see any particular necessity if there's little in the way of population. Alai 01:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Well, think about it this way. If we empty out lower level categories, does it make sense to delete them? If only 14 articles remain in Category:Stubs, is that a reason to delete the stub category as unnecessary? Not really, because organizationally it makes sense to have it. We don't delete stub categories when the stubs are moved into more specific categorizations, because even if the category appears nonessential, it's better to have things as close as possible to where they should be. It also makes categorization confusing for editors, who for the most part would assume if there is no categorization for 1960s albums stubs, there wouldn't be for anything more specific. Anyway, the hierarchy is now a complete lattice. I've classified 24 articles as 1960s album stubs. I'm sure that a number more exist, and not too worried about it being an unpopulated category. Owen 02:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
            • I prefer to think about it this way: WP:STUB. Category:Stubs is (in effect at least) at the root of the hierarchy: we don't delete it because it's constantly filling up, only to be "diffused" downwards, not because it's inherently undersized, never having reached the target size (as you appear to be rationalising on the expectation of). If it's not in fact in due course underpopulated, fair enough, but your "IAR, organisationally it makes sense" rationale, could just as well be applied to any old category with 24 stubs, and if iterated (un)suitably would end up duplicating a large portion of the category space as stub types, very many of them counterproductively small for the purposes of editors finding a reasonable density of reasonably related articles. Alai 05:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
              • I'm not sure I understand your complaints. I also notice that you created the 1970s album stubs category, which was apparently also out of process. That category isn't much larger than the one I created. And I'm not saying I created it simply because it makes organizational sense, although I feel that it does. Something in the range of 1500 articles are currently classified as being albums in the 1960s. Having a stub type for these articles is useful, and keeps clutter from the higher levels of classification. Owen 06:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
                • I'm not sure how to complain more understandably. Excessively small stub types are counter-productive to stub "management", because they a) needlessly multiply the entities involved, and b) leave stubs to languish in categories likely to have little foot-traffic. The 70s type has two perfectly decently-sized sub-types, and if it wasn't mentioned explicitly in a proposal here, it was certainly within the "spirit" of a related proposal. IARing and 'organisational sense' were the justifications you offered when asked about size, and they make a poor precedent as they can be applied to just about anything. Various bits and bobs of album stub hierarchy are indeed persistently oversized, which makes a somewhat stronger one, but 24 articles is still a large stretch. Alai 07:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
                  • Category:1960s album stubs is NOT an "excessively small stub type". I've been adding new stubs to the category, and it currently holds 66. By the time I'm done working there could be well over 300. IARing was not a justification for the size. It was a justification for ignoring the typical wait period before starting to stub articles. The reason I chose to ignore this wait period was because I was motivated to work on these categories. In a week, I probably wouldn't be. I've spent hours today working on these, and I find your reaction baffling. Owen 07:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
                    • And NOW (to coin a case convention) you decide to mention the size, after repeatedly defending your inalienable right to create two stub types on the basis of 24 stubs? I asked specifically about size; your later comment, which your indentation would suggest was a reply to mine, was, one might infer, IARing in that regard (as opposed to just IA comments, too). Personally, I couldn't care less about the waiting period, if the end result is unaffected. I'm baffled as to what you find baffling: you've taken me on a pointless digression about the stub size guidelines, and now you are wondering why? Alai 08:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
                      • I just said that the stub category has well over 24 stubs. At present count it has 119 stubs. You seem to have misinterpreted me, as I never said anything about any "inalienable right" to create stub categories with 24 stubs. Obviously we were not communicating. I said that I created the 1960s rock albums by way of IAR; then I said that I would probably work on the 1960s albums stubs because it made organizational sense. I linked to IAR under the text "went ahead". I thought that made it obvious that my use of IAR was to ignore the seven day period. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was using IAR to create stub categories that "made organizational sense", since I never talked about IAR in relation to organization. What I found baffling was your seeming hostility to my efforts, and what I took as your not assuming good faith in my actions. Hopefully this matter is settled. Owen 08:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
                        • I wasn't misinterpreting, but rather paraphrasing, but yes, there seems to have been the proverbial failure to communicate. I'm sorry if I appeared to be hostile, that wasn't my intention, and nor did I at any point doubt your good faith. I still find it hard, even with the benefit of hindsight, to put any other reading on your earlier comments other that the "rule" you were "ignoring" was the size guidelines, given the on-going exchange in which you did nothing to dispell the impression that that was the topic ay hand; oh well. The main lesson I take from this is that doing something 'per IAR' (as opposed to for some actual specific reason) leaves everyone as wise as before (though I may be biased about that, since that's rather what I've thought for a long time). At any rate, I'm indeed now more than happy with the stub types -- another panel pin in album-stub, hopefully. Alai 08:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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New Zealand split

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A few suggested splits:

  1. I've run a bit of a quick survey of the 750-odd New Zealand stubs, and found just under 100 which could be given a {{NZ-org-stub}} (and accompanying Category:New Zealand organisation stubs).
  2. There's also about 80 which would use the proposed but never implemented {{NZ-ethno-stub}} or {{Maori-stub}} (whichever was decided - I don't recall).
  3. There are also now 43 {{NZ-struct-stub}}s... not enough for a separate category, but getting on that way, and probably enough for an upmerged template.
  4. FWIW, there's also considerable undersorting, with about 70 bio-stubs and 30 geo-stubs in there. I've added some lists at User:Grutness/NZ stub split. both of the ones I found for the three proposed splits and those which could do with restubbing if anyone feels like some work :)
  5. There are also nearly 40 potential NZ-tv-stubs... something to possibly consider in future (but not now).

Grutness...wha? 08:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Further comment - the tv stubs would tie in with the proposed by-continent split from last month. it would take the oceania total very close to the 60 mark. Any thoughts, Alai? Grutness...wha? 23:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
What I'd failed to notice, though, is that there's already a TV stub for the Aussies. However, 40 stubs and a sub-type wouldn't be disgraceful. Alai 23:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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Japanese rail subtypes

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Also getting close to a fifth page. The stations would be an "over-viable" type, though we might want to create it anyway, partly as a container for the following:

I was also going to propose Category:Japanese railway line stubs, at 60, but false positives appears to reduce that slightly, so I won't. Alai 06:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:German World War II stubs

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I've probably mooted this one before, but as there's several possible axis of split, I'll open this up for fresh discussion. I'm attracted to this one as double-stubbing puts 76 in Category:German military stubs and Category:World War II stubs, so it's the easiest one to do. (Rogue bluelink's nothing to do with me, btw, and nor is it a 'live' stub type.) Alai 23:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Kein Problem. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Klein Problem (but only slight). be aware that this will probably overlap to a considerable extent with nazi-stub. Other than that, I don't see much of a problem, so make that a ja from me. Grutness...wha? 00:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I'd have had that worry myself, were this a count based on perm-cats, but as it's double-stubbing, it seems relatively safe. (I won't swear that none of them aren't treble-stubbed -- I haven't checked.) Not that it would be the first time that someone has told me with a straight face that something can be both an x-stub and a y-stub, but isn't an x-y-stub. Alai 02:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Japanese Go biography stubs

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Believe it or not, there's 82 articles double-stubbed into Category:Go stubs and Category:Japanese people stubs; latter is oversized. Alai 22:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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{{Sweden-musician-stub}}| / Category:Swedish musician stubs

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More whittling of {{musician-stub}} by nationality. There's quite a bit of double-stubbing here, I've noticed. Crystallina 21:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{China-mil-bio-stub}} / Category:Chinese military personnel stubs

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This would be a decent-sized amount out of Chinese people stubs and would help keep military personnel stubs under 5 pages (currently they're just under). I've found a good deal of articles that'd fit. Crystallina 05:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

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