Wikipedia:Utenti problematici/ZH8000
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Utente il cui solo scopo pare essere quello di rimuovere il nome di un wrestler dalla sezione "Persone legate a Lucerna" della voce della città. Ignora gli avvisi e ritorna periodicamente.--Quandary (msg) 15:40, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- Bloccare anche per un periodo medio-lungo (un mese) non servirebbe a nulla, tanto di assenze di un mese e pure oltre, ne fa già in modo del tutto spontaneo. Sarebbe un classico caso da "dentro o fuori"... in particolare, qualcuno può verificare se gli altri contributi del segnalato (non su Lucerna) siano corretti o meno? --Adalingio (fai sentire la tua voce) 15:43, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- [@ Quandary] Il segnalato è indubbiamente in errore, ma mi chiedo: cosa è stato fatto per evitare l'edit war? Sono state seguite queste linee guida? Secondo me no. --Adalhard Waffe «…» 15:48, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- Veramente ho scritto sulla sua pagina di discussione e motivato i miei annullamenti in passato nell'oggetto delle modifiche. Se l'utente in questione non risponde e continua a rimuovere quel nome dalla lista cosa devo farci?--Quandary (msg) 15:52, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- (confl. e fuori crono) Lo so, ma con un utente che non parla italiano occorre imho fare sempre un po' più d'attenzione e soprattutto spiegare, spiegare e spiegare di nuovo :-) Se poi continua, dopo numerosi avvisi e spiegazioni, allora è un altro paio di maniche. Comunque, questa utenza pare limitarsi a togliere gemellaggi dalle voci di città, occorrerebbe qualcuno verificasse queste modifiche. --Adalhard Waffe «…» 16:00, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- Veramente ho scritto sulla sua pagina di discussione e motivato i miei annullamenti in passato nell'oggetto delle modifiche. Se l'utente in questione non risponde e continua a rimuovere quel nome dalla lista cosa devo farci?--Quandary (msg) 15:52, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- [@ Quandary] Il segnalato è indubbiamente in errore, ma mi chiedo: cosa è stato fatto per evitare l'edit war? Sono state seguite queste linee guida? Secondo me no. --Adalhard Waffe «…» 15:48, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- Chiedo scusa per l'uso della lingua inglese invece della lingua italiana. I have no intention at all to vandalise the Lucerna article. I try rather vice versa to revert the unjustified promotion of this wrestler on many different languages on wikipedia. For sure, he is a wrestler and probably quite successful. And probably he was also born in Lucerne. The whole point is very simple: He is totally unknown in Switzerland or in Lucerne in particular. You could list 10000 other inhabitants from Lucerne with much more prominent status than he is. I never heard of him (except through wikipedia) and I live in Lucerne, read a lot, also regarding sports. Just do a google search restricted to Switzerland and you get the point. It is not justified to list him, especially on such short list. There are many interesting personalities related to Lucerna, but they do not appear on the list. Please see also the discussion on de::Diskussion:Liste von Söhnen und Töchtern der Stadt Luzern where I invited the Utente:Majo statt Senf, but he didn't take part so far. Instead he got involved in an edit-war. Thank you. -- ZH8000 (msg) 15:57, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- Dear ZH8000, as i already tried to explain (but i did it in italian so maybe you didn't get it, it's fine) the fact that this wrestler is unknown to you doesn't matter. The people are listed in that section because they are somehow connected to the city, it's not about fame at all. If you think there are many more people worth being included in that section then put the names there, but, please, do not remove the name without a real motivation. Fame or the fact that you don't know him are not a motivation.--Quandary (msg) 16:04, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- Chiedo scusa per l'uso della lingua inglese invece della lingua italiana. I have no intention at all to vandalise the Lucerna article. I try rather vice versa to revert the unjustified promotion of this wrestler on many different languages on wikipedia. For sure, he is a wrestler and probably quite successful. And probably he was also born in Lucerne. The whole point is very simple: He is totally unknown in Switzerland or in Lucerne in particular. You could list 10000 other inhabitants from Lucerne with much more prominent status than he is. I never heard of him (except through wikipedia) and I live in Lucerne, read a lot, also regarding sports. Just do a google search restricted to Switzerland and you get the point. It is not justified to list him, especially on such short list. There are many interesting personalities related to Lucerna, but they do not appear on the list. Please see also the discussion on de::Diskussion:Liste von Söhnen und Töchtern der Stadt Luzern where I invited the Utente:Majo statt Senf, but he didn't take part so far. Instead he got involved in an edit-war. Thank you. -- ZH8000 (msg) 15:57, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- Thanks for changing into English. Of course, my personal estimation is totally irrelevant. I just wanted to pronounce that the listed wrestler is really unknown for Lucerne, or Switzerland in general. – Well, if you think – here on Italian WP – that the list of prominent people from Lucerne ("Persone legate a Lucerna") is open to "everybody", then it may be so. But on the German, English, French articles, we usually only list people with quite a strong contribution to the city they are listed in; at least they need some public prominent appearance in order to be legitimately listed. And to be born there (and have a WP entry) is usually not a sufficiant criteria, really not. But I see, you seem to handle this differently here. And finally, it seems that this wrestler is being actively promoted over several WP languages despite being totally unknown in Lucerne or Switzerland. At least on English WP this is frowned upon: SOAP. -- ZH8000 (msg) 16:25, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- I see. Yes probably is because of this reason, generally speaking we include on those lists people that have an article on wikipedia and that are linked, in one way or another, to the city. Being born in the city usually is enough to be included in that list. About the promotion, he already has an article on WP so it's just a link from one wikipedia page to another, for us this is not promotion. Having an article while not deserving one, that would be a promotion for us.--Quandary (msg) 16:37, 27 gen 2017 (CET)
- ZH8000, whatever the reason, the article's history tells us about an edit-war, and if there is anything really common through all Wikipedia Communities, it is the 3-R rule; this is why you have been called here, together with the fact that the most we could be able to read about your edits is all described within a few words inside the editlines, too little for a removal of contents. This won't really be a problem as long as I'm right in believing that this has now been clearly understood; "Wiki" means "quick", but "pedia" means, in Wikipedia, that we need to reach a consensus through discussion. You mentioned a user that is not registered here (hence he never edited anything here) and no discussion at all has been started about this topic. Ok, there is no reason at all not to close it here, since it's something that will not happen again. Please, always give explanations in the edit summary, and be ready to open a discussion in the article's talk page when you realize that some other users disagree. As you can see, we are communicating: language won't be a critical obstacle.
About the sense of your edits, nobody here is in favour of a promotion, nobody is against any particular subject of an article: we fight against spamming, but we have nothing against the persons per se. Fighting spam doesn't mean damnatio memoriae, there's always a fair measure in the middle and neutrality is better served with a reasonable distance from the matter. Other Projects might behave differently in front of this issue, this is simply the way it goes in it.wiki, and we are writing here, where we don't like soapboxes and don't like excesses in the fight. - I'm closing this procedure with no effects, at the moment. I'm looking forward to be reading less controversial edits in the future and I'm thanking you in advance for your further contribution. -- g · ℵ (msg) 03:07, 28 gen 2017 (CET)
- ZH8000, whatever the reason, the article's history tells us about an edit-war, and if there is anything really common through all Wikipedia Communities, it is the 3-R rule; this is why you have been called here, together with the fact that the most we could be able to read about your edits is all described within a few words inside the editlines, too little for a removal of contents. This won't really be a problem as long as I'm right in believing that this has now been clearly understood; "Wiki" means "quick", but "pedia" means, in Wikipedia, that we need to reach a consensus through discussion. You mentioned a user that is not registered here (hence he never edited anything here) and no discussion at all has been started about this topic. Ok, there is no reason at all not to close it here, since it's something that will not happen again. Please, always give explanations in the edit summary, and be ready to open a discussion in the article's talk page when you realize that some other users disagree. As you can see, we are communicating: language won't be a critical obstacle.
Non ci sono al momento problematicità in vista, dato che il problema è stato spiegato e non pare si debba temere che vi siano reiterazioni. Non ho gradito molto la chiamata in causa dell'utente che qui non ha rilievo, non avendo mai editato, e sto omettendo di verificare come stiano le cose su Progetti fratelli, ma quello che ci interessa qui è che la questione dovrebbe essersi chiarita a sufficienza, perciò non vedo ragioni per proseguire.
Segnalazione chiusa senza effetto, utente... lievemente ammonito. -- g · ℵ (msg) 03:07, 28 gen 2017 (CET)