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Please sign your messages with four tildes ~~~~ Unsigned messages cause a lot of confusion because they appear to be part of later signed messages; consequently, users address their replies to the wrong person, as I did on the Talk India page. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- PS. I look forward to receiving references from you on the Talk India page. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your last message
Thanks for your last message on the Talk India page. As I said there, I don't disagree with your observation. Personally, if it were up to me, I would write, " ..., IVC, in what is now Pakistan and Western India," (in the history section) but because brevity is needed on the India page (it is already bloated) and because all kinds of Indian chauvinists will jump right in and change it back to suit their personal world views, we have to be content with "Indian subcontinent."
BTW, a historian on harrappa.com--Mark Kenoyer, of the University of Wisconsin, is someone I respect. Thanks for pointing out harrappa.com, I look forward to reading Mark's essay there one of these days ... Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
from Nadirali
Hello,I got your message,but I unfortunately didnt get any link.I'd love to help Pakistani site in anyway I can.
I also advice you against posting on talk pages if there are too many Indian users as they usually like to gang up.
Please do send me the link and please help keep the Pakistan articles safe from the vandals.Also contribute to the Pakistan related articles as much as you can.
Please also write to user:Szhaider. He's a proud Pakistani wikipedian and would just love to hear from someone like you. Szhaider has recently engaged in edit wars to protect all refference to the IVC from falling into the History of India page.He's also stood up to some biased Indian administrator threatening to block him.I have offered my verbal support to him and your adding your support will just give him more courage.
Thanx alot for contacting.Regards.Nadirali 03:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali
I got the link
Okay thanx alot for the link.I also again warn you from engaging in any conversation with some of the Indian wikipedians when raising the issue of Pakistani history,And watch out for user:HeklerHekler.He's full of tricks and extremely provokitive.Do not converse with him on this subject.he almost tricked me into getting blocked.
Also dont forget to contact user:Szhaider.He'd just love to hear from another proud Pakistani like you.He's also working hard to protect all reference of Pakistan's ancient history from falling into Indian hands.
Anyways thanks for the link and I'll see how I can contribute to the site.Also keep in close touch with other Pakistani wikipedians if you can.All the best.Nadirali 05:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali
Question
Hi Unre4L, I saw the discussion at Talk:History_of_India#indian_hijacking_of_Pakistan.27s_history and posted a question for you which I'll hope you will answer. Thanks a lot GizzaChat © 06:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Answer posted Unre4L
Panini
Hey, I appreciate that you feel strongly about references to the "ancient Indian subcontinent" (indeed, your user page makes it clear that that's your raison d'être so to speak). But I'd like to point out that you violated WP:3RR on Panini in the last two days, and that continuing to revert will result in your getting blocked. Instead of edit-warring, try and build consensus on the talk page. Good luck. --Xiaopo (Talk) 03:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
3RR block
You have been blocked for 24 hours for breaking the three-revert rule at Pāṇini. Please refer to: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Unre4L reported by Bakaman (Result: 24 hours). More information on the three-revert-rule can be found here: WP:3RR. You are welcome to return after your block has been completed. -- Samir 05:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
advise
Unre4L,perfectly I understand how you feel about Pakistan's history being robbed as I feel the same way too.
However,I discourage you from responding to wikipedia:trolls.Do not respond to Bakaman's provokitive comments. Bakaman already provoked me into getting blocked once and was also told to stop being so provokitive by an administrator.
Also,I think readers on that discussion page(Indian,Pakistani or others)will be able to see that someone cares by reading the topic and discussion. And just for the fact that we brought up the subject,it will definately give readers something to think about.The whole point of brining that up was it brings it to people's attention. This is a first positive step on our side.
But I also warn you to abide by the rules and not carry out any violations,as that harms nobody but you.
Szhaider has attempted to remove Indian tags from the IVC and other south asian history articles,only resulting in an edit war.Not only that,but he was threatened of being reported by a biased administrator.He is now currently in the process of creating a "History of south asia" article to make it more "neutral" based on the demands of other wikipedians.
If you want to try and help out or state any objections to Pakistani-related articles,then you can bring it up here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Pakistani_Wikipedians or talk to Szhaider about it.
But refrain from responding to Bakaman's "Pakistani textbooks","anti-Hindu" or "the Indus was a Hundu civilization" or lectures on the persicution of Hindus or any of that non-sense.
I'll talk to Bakaman seprately regarding her comments if you want me to.She's already been told by administrator:tariqabjotu to stop,but if it continues,don't repond.Instead,copy and paste these comments on administrator tariqabjotu's talk page as he's already warned her from continuing her behaviour.Responding will only get you into more trouble.
I hope my advise proves useful.
Regards.Nadirali 05:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali
- The problem Nadirali and Unre4L, is that you have a misconception of what Wikipedia is for. You may feel that Pakistan's history is being robbed, but reflecting what you feel is not what this project is here for. Wikipedia is specifically here to reflect what the consensus of scholars have written. Please read and think about Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. You don't need to turn everything into an us vs them. Just do good research and add facts to articles to help them reach NPOV, not your POV. - Taxman Talk 14:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thats the whole problem Taxman. The stuff I am arguing about doesnt have ANY sources. Apart from hindu sources. I asked them about one single source which said that they guy was ancient Indian. They couldnt give me any. Their only comeback was Pakistan didnt exist in 1947. Why am I getting the feeling you are refusing to understand aswell? User:Unre4L
- Your statements above conflict with each other. But in any case, if the fact is that there are only "Hindu" sources, then I'm sorry you'll have to accept that. If you can't provide sources for your position, you can't keep reverting your edits in. That is Wikipedia policy and for a reason. But you're really missing the more important point about Wikipedia not being here to promote your views. If you don't come to accept that you're going to have a hard time here. - Taxman Talk 23:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Unblock Request
Template
==I've added an (overdue) welcome template at the top of your talk page. I hope you find it useful.NinaEliza 16:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- Please pardon my snooping; your page is now on my watchlist. First of all, beautiful taxobox, and lovely message. Second, I'm afraid your link:
- doesn't work. At least it didn't work for me. However, it's a good and appropriate thing to have on your user page, in my opinion. It's always a good thing to take dialogue or debate off Wikipedia as much as possible. Thanks for that. NinaEliza 17:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. Should have posted this. The ___domain will start working later today. I just bought the ___domain today and need a little time setting it up. User:Unre4L
- That's wonderful - out of your own pocket, you are willing to do this great thing. Remember to sign your posts with four tildes. For example, ~ ~ ~ ~ without the spaces will get you NinaEliza 17:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC). The "tilde" should be located to the right of the "1" on the numeric portion of your keyboard. If I'm telling you something you already know, please forgive me:).NinaEliza 17:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thx for informing me. I always signed my posts by writing out the link to my talk page. Unre4L 00:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Pakhub
Please stop. If you continue spamming you will be blocked from editing. अमेय आर्यन DaBrood© 21:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Spamming?
I will need a second opinion on that. We have had our arguments regarding Pakistans history, and obviously you will be the first person close this down. Sorry, but you have already shown your ability to discuss maturely before, so I want to talk to some non Indian member of this board.
You might want to go back to your hinduunity forums and inform them about this so they can try to spam my forum again. Unre4L 21:30, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Pakhub was speedy deleted due to comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakhub (a cursory look tells me that not all who commented were Indian or Pakistani, so the delete comments were not all nationality-motivated). If you wish to appeal the deletion, please make a request on Wikipedia:Deletion review. Kimchi.sg 01:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I looked at the "discussion" and it seemed a bit short to me.Please note it's a non-for profit site.Why were we not consulted of this?How harmful is it to consult an editor(s) before vandalizing their article(s)? Nadirali 04:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
good source
Check out this Source.It seems to be from a non-South Asian writer. http://www.geocities.com/pak_history/name.html
Regards.Nadirali 06:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
barn star for you
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