Template talk:Certification Table Entry
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FIMI
editFIMI site has been uploaded recently, and the certifications search has changed a lot. Now, it's more similar to Spanish certs from El Portal de Música site. The "number" id doesn't longer work for this. For example, on this link: https://www.fimi.it/top-of-the-music/certification-form.kl#/certificationform/14008 the id was 14008, but it shows "404 - Pagina non trovata" (Italian for Page not found), and now, the showed link is https://www.fimi.it/top-of-the-music/music/?title=PLASTIC%20BEACH (there's the command "title", and the id is "PLASTIC%20BEACH". I don't know why there's "%20", but...). Additionally, the link for manual search doesn't longer show the option "Tutti gli anni" (All of the years), which makes it harder, and to search certs about an specific artist, you have to go to a new page. LuanCampSouza93 (talk) 14:33, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting us know. I corrected {{cite certification}} to use the new website structure. Referencing using
|id=still works, and is preferred method. Using|title=or|artist=also works. Manual search is no longer required. Muhandes (talk) 13:54, 20 July 2025 (UTC)- It's true, I didn't pay attention to number id detail. Thanks. LuanCampSouza93 (talk) 00:50, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
Norwegian album certifications
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Hello again, I have a question. As an editor that is regularly adding new certifications I noticed that for Norwegian album certifications the certification table doesn't indicate that these certifications are based on sales + streaming. There should be a double dagger next to the number of certified units but instead it's an asterisk, meaning that the certification is based on sales only. The IFPI Norway website confirms that album certifications, just like single certifications, include streaming numbers. The inclusion of streaming numbers began on January 1, 2018 so that would be the starting point for the inclusion of streaming. Norwegian single certifications correctly show the double dagger next to the number of units in the table but for whatever reason album certifications don't. Is there a reason for this that I'm missing or is this simply outdated? Can you update the table to change the asterisk to a double dagger for these album certifications? MusicLover (talk) 06:01, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- @MusicLover Would you mind if I move this discussion to Template talk:Certification Table Entry? Muhandes (talk) 14:49, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- No, I don't mind. Sorry if I started the discussion in the wrong place. MusicLover (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- No problem, I just thought this should be documented here. I think you are absolutely right with your request but I actually think this happened much earlier, on 1 November 2013. Isn't this what this source says? Muhandes (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- You're right, I was mistaken about when streaming began counting towards certifications. The certification levels for albums were lowered in 2018 but streaming counted towards certifications before then. That page you linked is about streaming counting towards the charts but doesn't mention certifications specifically. I looked some more and found this from September 2013, apparently in 2013 Norway had streaming only certifications which were separate from regular certifications. Streaming certifications were only for singles though. I was aware of other countries like Denmark having streaming only certifications back then but I never knew it was a thing in Norway. By February 2014 the page was updated with the streaming awards being eliminated and streaming being rolled into regular single and album certifications. It's difficult to pin down the exact date the change was enacted but the streaming only certifications were short lived, the IFPI Norway certifications database shows the streaming certifications were only given out in 2013 with the last two being awarded on January 6, 2014. MusicLover (talk) 00:01, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- I wasn’t aware of Norway’s streaming-only certification either. As for when regular certifications began including streaming, we can’t say for certain, but it was likely either 1 January 2014 or 1 February 2014. Implementing the former is simpler and less consequential, so unless you object, I’ll proceed that way. Muhandes (talk) 07:28, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- @MusicLover
Done Muhandes (talk) 08:26, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with starting on 1 January 2014. They've implemented other changes on the first of January throughout the years so it makes sense to think that was the case in this instance as well, plus it does make using the table easier. Thank you so much again for all your help! MusicLover (talk) 08:48, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- You're right, I was mistaken about when streaming began counting towards certifications. The certification levels for albums were lowered in 2018 but streaming counted towards certifications before then. That page you linked is about streaming counting towards the charts but doesn't mention certifications specifically. I looked some more and found this from September 2013, apparently in 2013 Norway had streaming only certifications which were separate from regular certifications. Streaming certifications were only for singles though. I was aware of other countries like Denmark having streaming only certifications back then but I never knew it was a thing in Norway. By February 2014 the page was updated with the streaming awards being eliminated and streaming being rolled into regular single and album certifications. It's difficult to pin down the exact date the change was enacted but the streaming only certifications were short lived, the IFPI Norway certifications database shows the streaming certifications were only given out in 2013 with the last two being awarded on January 6, 2014. MusicLover (talk) 00:01, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- No problem, I just thought this should be documented here. I think you are absolutely right with your request but I actually think this happened much earlier, on 1 November 2013. Isn't this what this source says? Muhandes (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- No, I don't mind. Sorry if I started the discussion in the wrong place. MusicLover (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
Indian album certifications (IMI)
editKaty Perry has received certifications from the Indian Music Industry (IMI) for her studio albums listed below. IMI, along with Universal Music India, issued these certifications. I would like to request a certification template for automatic certifications from IMI, as there isn't a standard one available. Since IMI lacks a proper database, the template could allow input of the album name, artist, certification number, certification year, source, album type, and whether it's local or international. Whatever will work, I guess. The sales thresholds can be set automatically based on the standards published on IMI's website. I hope you can help me with this Muhandes. Thank you!
- Teenage Dream, 2× Platinum
- Prism, 3× Platinum
- Witness, 3× Platinum
143kittypurry (talk) 15:52, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
- @143kittypurry Is there a database of past certifications? Muhandes (talk) 18:02, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't read your message fully. If there is no database of past certifications, this template cannot be used to automate certification. You can always use
|certref=and|salesref=to provide the few certifications you find for unsupported regions. --Muhandes (talk) 18:12, 16 August 2025 (UTC)- I believe I did it correctly by including the certifications for each album's respective articles. Did I? I'm also wondering if there's a way for the sales figures to be generated automatically without using the salesamount= and salesref= parameters in the template. 143kittypurry (talk) 18:16, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- You did it correctly. There is no way to generate sales automatically without also generating a citation automatically, and without a database, that would not be possible. Muhandes (talk) 18:18, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- Aww. Thank you for clarifying this. 🫶🦋 143kittypurry (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- Btw, I have a question about the Brazilian certification template issued by Pro-Música Brasil. "Dark Horse" by Katy Perry is certified 8x Diamond, which means it should have 1.28 million units sold since their threshold for a Diamond certification of an international single is 160,000 units, according to their website. However, when I use the template and input all the necessary information, the automatic sales generation indicates 2 million units. Can you explain why there is a discrepancy? 143kittypurry (talk) 18:43, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think this belongs in a thread called "Indian album certifications (IMI)". Muhandes (talk) 21:27, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- My apologies. 143kittypurry (talk) 07:07, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think this belongs in a thread called "Indian album certifications (IMI)". Muhandes (talk) 21:27, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- You did it correctly. There is no way to generate sales automatically without also generating a citation automatically, and without a database, that would not be possible. Muhandes (talk) 18:18, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- I believe I did it correctly by including the certifications for each album's respective articles. Did I? I'm also wondering if there's a way for the sales figures to be generated automatically without using the salesamount= and salesref= parameters in the template. 143kittypurry (talk) 18:16, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello! To be honest, I'm not quite sure. I haven't been able to find any publicly accessible database on their website. However, their sales threshold standards are posted there. Katy Perry was presented with these certifications in 2019. She received the plaques from IMI and UMG India, both of which issued these certifications. 143kittypurry (talk) 18:13, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't read your message fully. If there is no database of past certifications, this template cannot be used to automate certification. You can always use
PMB Single Certifications
editHi there! I have a question about the Brazilian certification template issued by Pro-Música Brasil. "Dark Horse" by Katy Perry is certified 8x Diamond, which means it should have 1.28 million units sold since their threshold for a Diamond certification of an international single is 160,000 units, according to their website. However, when I use the template and input all the necessary information, the automatic sales generation indicates 2 million units. Can you explain why there is a discrepancy? Thank you. 143kittypurry (talk) 07:07, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- See this discussion. The question is whether Brazil uses their thresholds based on release date or certification date. When I read more into it, I get more convinced that when they introduced streaming data in 2017, they ditched the old digital certification levels. That means that both records and singles certified after November 2017 us the current thresholds. Furthermore, it may be even true that the "old" thresholds were for digital certification only, and never applied to physical sales.
Brief break for gathering opinions
editLet me summarize the three options so we can make a mini-RFC out of this:
A. The certification thresholds go by release data. This means that even now in 2025, PMB certifies "Dark Horse" 8× Diamond for 2m.
B. In November 2017 PBM moved to use streams. From that point onwards, they only use the current thresholds, i.e., "Dark Horse" 8× Diamond is 1.28m
C. PBM never had an "old" threshold (e.g., 250,000 for Diamond). This threshold was for digital sales only and should only apply when |digital=true.
I'm pinging TheWikiholic, Magiciandude and Markus WikiEditor who took part in the last go we had at it, but of course everyone else is also invited. --Muhandes (talk) 10:03, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- B or even inclined to C. I don't see PMB going to the effort of checking release dates. I think we may have made a mistake long time ago with our understanding of the short "digital" era. Muhandes (talk) 09:48, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's really hard to say. At least for albums it should be the release year. Example: Led Zeppelin IV by Led Zeppelin was certified Gold in 1993 for 100k units and re-certified Platinum in 2021 for 200k. By just using the current thresholds on the website, it would've been only 40k. YGO24895 (talk) 19:17, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- If certification thresholds are based on release date, Roberto Carlos' 1981 self-titled album would imply sales of 12 million units with its 12× Diamond certification. Considering the best-selling album in the UK barely crossed 7 million units, while France's top seller is under 5 million and Japan's is under 8 million, it's questionable whether an album could realistically achieve 12 million sales in Brazil. TheWikiholic (talk) 16:41, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- @YGO24895 so you are saying "A"? @TheWikiholic so what are you saying? "B" or "C"? Muhandes (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- In my opinion it should still be "A", but aside from some examples where the new, higher cert would be a lower sales number than the old, lower cert, I have no proof.YGO24895 (talk) 17:11, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I'm confused and skeptical about choosing either option, as applying both recent and old thresholds could cause discrepancies. What's the likelihood that recent certifications are based solely on digital sales and streams? TheWikiholic (talk) 06:19, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Or, what are the chances that albums certifying for the first time use the current threshold, irrespective of release date, while those already certified in the past retain their older threshold? TheWikiholic (talk) 06:22, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think it was implied anywhere that recent certifications are based solely on digital sales and streams. We are discussion the determining factor for thresholds, not how equivalent units are calculated. Muhandes (talk) 08:35, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Or, what are the chances that albums certifying for the first time use the current threshold, irrespective of release date, while those already certified in the past retain their older threshold? TheWikiholic (talk) 06:22, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- @YGO24895 so you are saying "A"? @TheWikiholic so what are you saying? "B" or "C"? Muhandes (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- If certification thresholds are based on release date, Roberto Carlos' 1981 self-titled album would imply sales of 12 million units with its 12× Diamond certification. Considering the best-selling album in the UK barely crossed 7 million units, while France's top seller is under 5 million and Japan's is under 8 million, it's questionable whether an album could realistically achieve 12 million sales in Brazil. TheWikiholic (talk) 16:41, 18 August 2025 (UTC)