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Latest comment: 3 months ago21 comments4 people in discussion
@Dissident93: I'm OK with your changes to move away from slashes for the draft info;[1] it was never really consistent with MOS:SLASH. However, the new format, e.g. NFL draft: 1973 (round: 3 • pick: 64), seems semi-cryptic with the parens, colons, and bullet. Could we alternatively use more natural English, similar to Template:Infobox basketball biography, e.g. NFL draft: 1973: 3rd round, 64th overall pick? —Bagumba (talk) 06:48, 15 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
It's basically just using {{ordinal}}. I don't think "overall" (to distinguish from pick in the round) will fit without some tweaking, but then the NFL ibx never had it anyways. —Bagumba (talk) 03:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
It's implemented now. I tried testing it with overall but it wrapped around in infoboxes that lacked images (which makes them slightly wider) and it's not really necessary anyway. The only thing I'd still like to see is automatic linking to the lists of first and second overall pick pages, but I think I'd need to have the manual links that currently exist on each individual page removed first. ~ Dissident93(talk)15:43, 16 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
That's because his article and all others from the 1984 NFL supplemental draft of USFL and CFL players used manual links. I've made values of 1984 link to that page instead and added the |suppdraftpick= parameter since that draft also had pick numbers (other supplemental draft picks only account for round). They should all be following the same formatting as any other NFL draft now. ~ Dissident93(talk)02:00, 18 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
Seems like this issue is just for the 1960 AFL draft? Only numeric values should be used in |afldraftround=, the rest of them have to be manually fixed but I'm not sure if there's a definite way to find them all. ~ Dissident93(talk)16:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
I've made it so all 1960 AFL draft picks ignore |afldraftround= and |afldraftpick= since that draft didn't seem to use that? They should still be removed locally from articles but no longer get displayed. ~ Dissident93(talk)16:52, 26 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
I can go through the list and fix them myself. It looks like |aflundrafted= is needed for some unless the issue that Kansas Comet 48 (I'm aware they're a blocked sockpuppet) brought up isn't that big of a deal. Some of these drafts also have "red shirt" rounds that should also be accounted for, but I'm not sure if it needs a unique parameter or if displaying "Red shirt 3(rd)" like Jan Stenerud is acceptable. ~ Dissident93(talk)22:59, 27 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
I'd like to suggest a change. Now that the format is different, I'd like to see a parameter for undrafted free agents that signed with an AFL (1960–1969) team. Some really good players like Dick Harris, Speedy Duncan or HOFer Willie Brown did not sign with any NFL team coming out of college. So now I think it's a good time to add a parameter for that players. Kansas Comet 48 (talk) 19:45, 24 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
Personally I don't think that's a good idea / implementation. The AFL actually succeeded in large part because they were able to offer equal or more money to prospective free agents. It's not necessarily indicative of anything. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:53, 24 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
You're right about it, but I mean if we use | undraftedyear = it would redirect to the notable UDFAs of NFL teams. For whatever reason, they did not signed with an NFL team. As we know, the NFL and AFL were separated leagues from 1960 to 1969. Kansas Comet 48 (talk) 22:03, 24 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Bagumba I'm finally starting to go through the list you provided and cleaning it up. The only issue I have is with the 1960 AFL draft with the "First" and "Second Selections". The article just lists them by team and not any sort of round unless I'm missing it, so I'm using only |afldraftyear=. ~ Dissident93(talk)23:50, 27 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 2 months ago16 comments4 people in discussion
Not sure that's an improvement. Kurt Warner looks weird having the year blank. In regards to the American Football League, a lot of players were selected in both drafts back then. That's not a big enough issue to warrant removing everything. If someone was only selected in one draft, then the undraftedyear can just be left blank like at Harry Schuh. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
It automatically links to that year's respective NFL draft even if they never played in the NFL. An |aflundraftedyear= parameter could be created for AFL-only players and automatically be hidden if |undraftedyear= is also used for players that played in both leagues. ~ Dissident93(talk)23:56, 27 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Incidentally, I wasnt a big fan of linking to the section, people can navigate their way from the TOC, and Dissident93 had mentioned some page's not having that section, so I considered it a compromise. FWIW, NBA infoboxes just link to the draft page, not an undrafted section. —Bagumba (talk) 15:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
|aflundraftedyear= has been added. The text automatically disambiguates between the NFL, CFL, and AFL if they were drafted (or undrafted) in another league, otherwise it defaults to Undrafted: like before. I kept the links directed towards the notable UDFA section until further discussion. Could a link to all AFL UDFAs be generated so they can use it? I'll handle the rest as I slowly clean these ones with invalid values. ~ Dissident93(talk)19:51, 28 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I've only realized now that the infobox shows "Undrafted:1994" (even before recent changes), instead of just following the normal draft syntax with like "NFL draft:1994: undrafted" (see basketball player like Austin Reaves). Then showing a parenthetical like "Undrafted (NFL):1994" (see Tim Tindale) looks cryptic. Infobox fields are typically nouns like "NFL draft", not adjectives like "Undrafted".—Bagumba (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I don't know, seems weird on lower-level players like Arena Football League players when NFL draft is specifically highlighted in the infobox when they weren't really a prospect anyway. Like Nick Davila ("rated as the 60th-best quarterback in the draft") Looked better when it just said undrafted. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
It's otherwise MOS:EGGy what "Undrafted" is linking to. If the draft is insignificant, the other option is for editors to consciously leave it blank. But I think it's relevant as a clue to why someone didn't play in the NFL. If they were Canadian and weren't drafted by the NFL and never played in the NFL, then I think the NFL draft can be left out (esp. if didnt play college in US); that would be consistent with basketball and non-domestic players not showing undrafted for the NBA. —Bagumba (talk) 01:14, 31 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
No one is confused as to what undrafted means. It's undue weight to have NFL draft specifically listed on literally every gridiron article now. Are people going to start putting both NFL draft: undrafted and AFL draft: undrafted on select articles now? If someone only played in the American Football League, "Undrafted" can just link to the AFL draft. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:26, 31 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
It's undue weight to have NFL draft specifically listed on literally every gridiron article now: I haven't looked at the implementation. Are you saying it's linked on pages now where it wasn't before, or just that it's labelled "NFL draft" now but the links are unchanged? —Bagumba (talk) 03:43, 31 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
If the issue is with non-NFL players then it could be made to omit NFL from being displayed by cross-checking |draftround= / |cfldraftround= / |afldraftround=. Is there a specific article that doesn't look right? ~ Dissident93(talk)15:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)Reply
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