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ts parameter formatting
editHi! I would like to know if it is generally acceptable to write the following in the ts field (after ts = ):
- by ~~~ at ~~~~~
I did this at User talk:146.199.119.203 (in this edit) to avoid having something like the following (gramatically incorrect) example occur:
- Message added 00:00 Noah Kastin (talk)
(This would be generated by writing ~~~~ in the ts field, which was what I had been doing until I thought of the proposed way of formatting the ts signature.)
If anyone has any thoughts on whether this is acceptable or not, please let me know.
Thanks!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Noah Kastin I see nothing wrong with that. Go ahead and do it. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2017
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what 2602:306:CF66:8A00:B189:314A:FAF2:B0AF (talk) 23:59, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 27 August 2017
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103.242.23.188 (talk) 05:24, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — IVORK Discuss 05:50, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Jamila Mujahed
editHi there, My name is Sayed Mobin and i did some edits on the Wikipedia page of Jamila Mujahed which is my mom and most of the facts that i said true and doesn't need a prove as she traveled to more than 30 countries i can send you pictures of her passport if that will solve the problem or she got the title of the Modern day Malalai was also mentioned in the post hopefully you would allow the changes to take place Thank you Sayed— Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.21.12.203 (talk) 23:00, September 1, 2017
- This is not the place to post this message. Please post it on the talkpage of Jamila Mujahed: Talk:Jamila Mujahed.--Auric talk 12:44, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
New Section now Add Topic
editI think the graphic in the Usage section is outdated. It shows a graphic of the text "New Section" (New section small.png), but I think the Wikipedia interface now says "Add Topic".--papageno (talk) 04:27, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Your Rules
editOf course I know your rules and I follow them whenever possible. However, you don’t follow your own rules, true conflict of interest is pervasive throughout Wikipedia. But when I want to correct misinformation or add some true data, you throw me under the bus. Then when I complain, passionately, you blame me instead of hearing me and my concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.18.50.3 (talk) 21:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
What's the difference with the {{reply to|User1|User2|... tempate ?
- . Talkback is only capable to talk back to 1 person even if you want to talk back to 3 people discussing in a section?
- . With {{reply to|User1|User2|... it is possible to reply to multiple people, so why still using the Talkback template?
You can remove this notice at any time
editYes, we already know as we can do that to anything. You have the new message notification, and then below that in small text, it's "You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template." Do we really need this part? Who here removes a talkback notice on their talk page when they read their talkback and removed it? Sure it's in the revision history, but who goes to their revision history to find an old talkback? If you do, it would take forever. This is the most useless part of the template. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 18:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 7 August 2020
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Can you add
{{RedWarn standard installation}} 107.77.189.15 (talk) 01:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- Where? – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Done – added to the semi-protected documentation. P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 03:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
1976 Datsun 280Z was rated at SAE 182 HP.
editThe 1977 Datsun 280Z was de-tuned with re-ground camshaft, loser compression and a gear reduction started. I worked at the dealer during the 70’s and owned a 1976 Datsun 280Z. They where into training so much that they had a mobile van with parts, cut-a-ways, books and power point presentations. In July, 1979, any vehicle produced after this point was equipped with a catalytic converters for unleaded. I current own a 1969 Datsun Roadster, Model SPL-311 that used the 1.6L pushrod engine and the badge was 1600. While a 2.0L overhead camshaft was the 2000 called the Fairlady. The styling cues where used to produce the 240Z. Ken Kelly ASE Master Tech since 1978 kenkellysr@ hotmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.253.57 (talk) 22:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- the more i read this, the more i don't understand it. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 13:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Remove the edit page
editCurrently the template has the text "you can remove this notice" and "remove this notice" is a link to edit the page. I speculate that it is this link that is sending some users to this talk page instead of back to the other user's talk page. I would suggest removing that link from the template, so that the only link generated is to the talk page. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 07:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Outdated
editThe old image was from about a long time ago, like more than 5 years. Replace it with the newest UI. TylerMagee (talk) 16:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Improvements
editThis template assumes that the only messages you can leave someone are on someone's talkpage, which is obviously untrue. It doesn't understand interwiki prefixes like :meta:.
I want to be able to just do
{{Talkback|:meta:Research:Wikimedia_Research_Best_Practices_Around_Privacy_Whitepaper/Draft}}
Which should then link to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_Research_Best_Practices_Around_Privacy_Whitepaper
Can't we just simplify the entire thing to something like:
example code
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{{#if:{{{1|}}}
|{{#if:{{{short|}}}
| <span style="margin:0;padding-top:3px;">[[File:Nuvola apps edu languages.svg|18px|link={{{1}}}|You have new message/s]] Hello. You have <span style="font-weight:bold">[[{{{1}}}|a new message]]</span> waiting for you.</span>
|{{umbox
| image = Nuvola apps edu languages.svg
| imagelink = {{{1}}}|You have new messages
| text = Hello, {{#titleparts:{{PAGENAME}}|1}}. You have new messages at [[{{{1}}}]].
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|<span class="error">ERROR: Please enter a link parameter when using this template - thus {{Tlx|Talkback|<link>}}.</span>
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It only needs to surround the first parameter with [[ and ]]. I don't see the point of all this extra fluff, which has, in my view, made the template less useful not more.
My suggestion is changing all that complicated stuff to: "You have new messages at [[{{{1}}}]]". Polygnotus (talk) 07:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- We do have {{Interwiki talkback}} but it would be nice if the better known {{Talkback}} could also be used. It accepts a username alone and automatically puts "User talk:" in front so the simple
[[{{{1}}}]]would break many existing uses. The template uses{{NAMESPACE:}}to detect a namespace at the English Wikipedia and omits "User talk:" in that case, but it doesn't detect interwiki links. {{Is interwiki link}} could be used for this. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:32, 7 July 2025 (UTC)- @Primefac: did the last update 5 years ago so it may be time for a update. Templates are one of the few technical areas of Wikipedia I haven't explored yet. Polygnotus (talk) 10:04, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- If {{Interwiki talkback}} works for the OP's purpose, this template probably does not need any changes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:15, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- There is no need to have 2 templates for the same goal, especially not when 1 is super obscure (56 transclusions vs 64.704), and the more popular one can easily be improved so that it handles the functionality of both. Polygnotus (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- If it is easy for you to add this feature, please do so at Template:Talkback/sandbox. Make sure to create testcases that show tests for all existing parameters to ensure that they do not stop working. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Jonesey95 I'm not the type to ask for help if I can easily do it myself. Polygnotus (talk) 09:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed, if there is a template that does what someone wants, then we do not need to change this template; if folks think that we shouldn't have that other template, then get a consensus here to get it merged, and if that doesn't work then send it to TFD to get a wider audience. Primefac (talk) 09:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Primefac It doesn't tho. It has the same problems as the Talkback template that you can't just use any arbritary page, it has to be a user talkpage. Which means it doesn't work if you want to refer to let's say, the Teahouse, or ANI, or something else not on a user talkpage. And it doesn't support interwiki prefixes. Polygnotus (talk) 09:22, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Then use a different one, like {{Discussion notice}} or {{please see}}? I was not specifically referring to {{Interwiki talkback}} in my reply; there are other templates that do what you want, and if you want them all to be in this template then a consensus must be found to do so. Sometimes that can be managed on a template's talk page, other times it requires a TFD (or in this case, TFM). Primefac (talk) 22:40, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Primefac It doesn't tho. It has the same problems as the Talkback template that you can't just use any arbritary page, it has to be a user talkpage. Which means it doesn't work if you want to refer to let's say, the Teahouse, or ANI, or something else not on a user talkpage. And it doesn't support interwiki prefixes. Polygnotus (talk) 09:22, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- If it is easy for you to add this feature, please do so at Template:Talkback/sandbox. Make sure to create testcases that show tests for all existing parameters to ensure that they do not stop working. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- There is no need to have 2 templates for the same goal, especially not when 1 is super obscure (56 transclusions vs 64.704), and the more popular one can easily be improved so that it handles the functionality of both. Polygnotus (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- Happy to update things if there's a consensus. Will keep an eye on this talk page for now. Primefac (talk) 09:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- We don't need a consensus when it is an obvious improvement with no downsides. We can just use
Is interwiki link
and the existing template is improved and its also backwards compatible. Polygnotus (talk) 09:24, 11 July 2025 (UTC)- To clarify, then: are you no longer proposing the change that you wrote previously, and proposing a different one? isaacl (talk) 15:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- We don't need a consensus when it is an obvious improvement with no downsides. We can just use
- If {{Interwiki talkback}} works for the OP's purpose, this template probably does not need any changes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:15, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Primefac: did the last update 5 years ago so it may be time for a update. Templates are one of the few technical areas of Wikipedia I haven't explored yet. Polygnotus (talk) 10:04, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dropping existing functionality would break backwards compatibility for previous uses. Unfortunately, the testcases don't seem to cover all parameters supported by the template, nor are they all documented. Changes should either continue to support the existing parameters, or be part of a deployment plan on how to remove support without breaking current uses, if any. isaacl (talk) 17:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- A testcases page is not fixed. Testcases may be added where they are missing - indeed, must be added where a new parameter is proposed. That's the point: to test the new setup alongside the old. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:32, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sure; I didn't say the testcases page couldn't be changed. I was only commenting on its current state, and thus the need for it to be updated. isaacl (talk) 09:56, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- A testcases page is not fixed. Testcases may be added where they are missing - indeed, must be added where a new parameter is proposed. That's the point: to test the new setup alongside the old. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:32, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- To return to the original post:
This template assumes that the only messages you can leave someone are on someone's talkpage, which is obviously untrue.
This itself is demonstrably untrue, since the link in this notice brings you straight to this section here. It's only the interwiki prefix that is not supported. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:54, 12 July 2025 (UTC)- Oh man normally when I post on a template talkpage no one responds.
I was thinking about making something better, a template that would accept both an URL or a wikilink, but then I got bored and distracted. If I ever figure out an ingenious solution that supports bare urls, (inter)wikilinks and is backwards compatible I'll let y'all know. Polygnotus (talk) 09:58, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Oh man normally when I post on a template talkpage no one responds.
Sample subst from rev. 1304381179 showing bug
editThe following is the result of substing {{Talkback/sandbox}} which contains a copy of rev. 1304381179 of 18:19, 5 August 2025:
Substed result from sandbox rev. 1304740842
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Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 22:14, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Mathglot: should be good now. FYI don't subst this template. —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {u - t? -
uselessc} 09:50, 8 August 2025 (UTC)- Yes, thanks. For the record, in order to capture what was happening with a given revision you have to subst it, or capture the ExpandTemplates output from the pasted source of the revision in question. I think I did the latter in this case, but don't recall anymore. Mathglot (talk) 17:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 13 August 2025
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Please re-instate Special:Permalink/1304736749 to finish the removal of the TFD message. John of Reading (talk) 06:26, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
- Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:18, 13 August 2025 (UTC)