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Category:Events in Britain and Ireland

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞Who?¿? 06:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is a non-standard category which was abandoned some time ago. There was nothing in it more recent than June when I found it. The articles are now being placed in Category:Years in the United Kingdom and its subcategories, which belongs to category:Years by country, which has 18 national subcategories. I have transferred the articles which hadn't already been dealt with. Delete CalJW 23:38, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Barristers of the United Kingdom

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 07:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All the subcategories of category:British people by occupation are in the form "British Xers" (apart from the four national categories and the special case of category:Administrators in British India, which contains the word British in any case). I didn't spot this anomaly earlier because it is a subcategory of category:British legal professionals. Rename category:British barristers. CalJW 23:10, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Buildings and monuments

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:12, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This was up for renaming before when it was called something like Buildings/monuments for American Presidents. Surely this absurd amendment is a processing error. Rename category:Buildings and monuments honoring American Presidents. CalJW 22:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dramatists and playwrights

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The result of the debate was Keep. ∞Who?¿? 06:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this be just Category:Playwrights? As our article makes clear dramatist is either a synonym for or a subset of playwright. No other category, to my knowledge, has such a double name. We don't have Category:Authors and writers or Category:Actors and thespians, we simply have Category:Writers and Category:Actors. This is proper, as category names should not be longer than they need be, and they should also follow common usage. - SimonP 21:40, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:London's West End

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞Who?¿? 06:28, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This category is superfluous as category:London is throughly subdivided by subject area and by ___location based on the London boroughs (see category:Districts of London) without it. The West End is not and has never been an official subdivision of London. There are at least three major definitions of the term (for retailing, for entertainment and for general socio-economic purposes) which are all quite different and all lack fixed boundaries (see West End of London). The widest definition of the West End covers perhaps twenty times as much ground as the narrowest. If everything which could be added to this category was added to it, it would contain closer to a thousand articles than the current 30. Category:Westminster more or less covers the two narrower meanings of West End. The articles are mostly in two other London categories each. Finally, it is not in regular use, having hardly grown in the last six months. Delete. CalJW 21:38, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Canadian mathematics professors

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞Who?¿? 07:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that this category is not helpful. All notable canadian mathematicians should already be in Category:Canadian mathematicians. All Canadian math professors who are not notable mathematicians, probably do not deserve to be listed on Wikipedia (as for example, high school teachers or community college professors). Oleg Alexandrov 21:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:British professional societies

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The result of the debate was Rename Category:British professional bodies. ∞Who?¿? 06:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not a big deal this one, but I don't think this is quite the ideal name. It blurs slightly and unnecessarily with category:Learned societies, which is related but not the same thing. I believe renaming to Category:British professional bodies is the most standard term in British English and the main article is already called List of British professional bodies. CalJW 19:46, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:De Soto County, Mississippi

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted see log. ∞Who?¿? 05:55, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Misspelling of county name. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 18:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:U.S. dramatists and playwrights

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The result of the debate was no consensus (no change) --Kbdank71 14:18, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Following the recent renaming of category:American poets, let's continue the quest for consistency and prevalent usage. This category is inconsistent with its parent category:American writers, its grandparent category:American people by occupation, its great grandparent category:American people, most of the other American writer categories and most of the other American occupational categories. Rename category:American dramatists and playwrights. CalJW 18:14, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Members of the U.S. armed forces

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change) --Kbdank71 14:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This category is a standout non-standard item in Category:Military people by nation, very likely because it was created before a standard was created (there is also a people/personnel issue, but let's leave that for another time or this debate will become a muddle). "Military people/personnel" is preferable because it does not rule out pre-indepdence soldiers, irregular soldiers, volunteers who fought in foreign forces and the like. The sub-categories deal with strict membership of the specific forces. Rename Category:American military personnel. CalJW 18:10, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:American Slaveholders

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞Who?¿? 05:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty. Previously listed on votes for deletion and delisted on grounds it should be here instead, but apparently it was not relisted. Delete CalJW 17:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: 'I think despite the fact it meets WP:V and WP:NPOV, it still amounts to "commentary by categorization".' Do you have the same objection to Category:Gangsters? Radgeek 05:03, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm OK with gangsters as a category. It's somewhat of a question of the intrinsic notability of the fact. Most people aren't gangster, nor are most, e.g. Italian Americans (nor even NYC Italian Americans who are notable). And in fact, even most antebellum southern white men weren't slave owners either (most were poor); but an awfully large percentage of those who are notable (which for better or worse, usually means "rich") were slave owners. Those that were rich but were not slave owners are basically "abolitionists." I would not object to a fact related to this was itself notable; for example: Category:North American owners of more than 100 slaves. The fact that George Washington did not only own slaves, but owned a huge number of slaves is notable. I guess the fact that some supposed abolitionists also owned slaves, even a small number, is notable too. But not really the fact that a antebellum rich southern white man owned four slaves (yes, it's disgusting, but that's not the same as notable). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 05:33, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete cause for speculation and unverifiable, also I do not see cats for other countries that started the Triangle slave trade, which the Americas weren't even a part of. Unless I missed them somewhere. ∞Who?¿? 17:38, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Titles to slaves were matters of public legal record, and are quite easily verifiable. Concerning other groups of people involved in the slave-trade, if you want to start Category:British slave-traders or something of the sort you're free to do that as well. I'm unclear on why this is supposed to be an objection. Radgeek 05:03, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Asteroid eponyms

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The result of the debate was Delete, list already exists. ∞Who?¿? 05:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Categorization asks that "Categories ... be on major topics that are likely to be useful to someone reading the article." I don't think it is useful to someone reading about Giuseppe Garibaldi to know that someone has named an asteroid in his honor. In addition, I believe that asteroid naming is not a major topic at all. It may have been major in the days when only a few score asteroids were known, but at present there are tens of thousands of asteroids waiting for names. If I wanted to get an asteroid named after Wikipedia, I probably could. --Smack (talk) 03:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Music videos and subcategories

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The result of the debate was Keep. ∞Who?¿? 05:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Most music singles now have videos. If this category and its subcategories were fully populated they would be almost identical to Category:Singles and its subcategories. In fact, Category:Madonna videos is already almost identical to Category:Madonna singles. If anything it would be more useful to have a category for singles without videos. Moochocoogle 00:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there is confusion as to what should be in these categories. Category:Duran Duran videos seems to contain articles on video albums. --Moochocoogle 00:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jews in space

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞Who?¿? 05:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What is this category for? ≈ jossi ≈ 00:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jews in music to Category:Jewish classical musicians

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 04:58, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Same story as the scientists one below. Wrong wording.

Arnie587 (who created the category) improperly changed the target of the renaming while the vote is in progrerss (in good faith, just as a new user who isn't familiar with Cfr's). I had proposed Category:Jewish musicians, composers and conductors. I'm fine with his new suggestion (and its narrower scope), but other prior voters might want to make sure they concur. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 17:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The below voters voted on the prior proposed renaming (see comment at top). Voter who feel the same on the modified proposed renaming should move their votes above the line.

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Category:Jews in the visual arts to Category:Jewish visual artists

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 01:07, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Same story as the scientists one below. Wrong wording.

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Category:Jews in science to Category:Jewish scientists

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The result of the debate was Merge. ∞Who?¿? 01:04, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Old name is ugly sounding and inconsistent with other similar categories, e.g. Category:Swedish scientists Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 23:57, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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