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Category:Six Flags to Category:Six Flags roller coasters

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 18:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a category for roller coasters so that should be in the name. Vegaswikian 00:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant per Category:Music websites ~ Booya Bazooka 23:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cars of Serbia & Montenegro

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The result of the debate was merge Tim! 18:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Cars of Serbia -- ProveIt (talk) 23:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Elementary schools in Iowa City, Iowa

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Conscious 06:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Premature, its sole member is also the sole member of Category:Elementary schools in Iowa -- ProveIt (talk) 23:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:GNU

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The result of the debate was Category Redirect --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See: Category:GNU project -- ProveIt (talk) 22:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:ARCA racetracks to Category:Auto Racing Club of America racetracks

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The result of the debate was keep Tim! 18:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Expand abbrevs -- ProveIt (talk) 22:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Against. ARCA is an acronym that is rarely, if ever, expanded. Most ARCA fans don't know what it stands for, similarly to LASER or RADAR. BoojiBoy 23:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't Rename, we already had this discussion here. Recury 00:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I've been pondering this for a while and now think expanding abbreviations in category names makes scanning the category listings at the bottoms of pages less than straightforward. Discovering what an abbreviation in a category name means takes only one or two clicks, which I don't believe is inconvenient – especially when using tabbed browsers such as Firefox, which seem to be more and more popular (anyone's money on the next version of Internet Explorer featuring tabbed browsing?). With this in mind, I've rephrased the explanatory sentence on the category's page. Regards, David Kernow 14:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
PS If of concern, see this proposed amendment.  David 15:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep in this case, as there is precedent for ARCA, and we previously agreed that "branded" faux acronyms didn't need to be expanded. I use FireFox, and I only use the tabs to keep main and talk and history and what links here together, with a separate window for each page. --William Allen Simpson 02:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bilderberg attendees from Iceland

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Premature ... not even a cat for attendees yet, much less subcats for nationalities. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • In that case, the obvious thing to do would be rename to Category:Bilderberg attendees and populate. I'm not sure that's a good idea though - how significant is attendence? I imagaine that the status and activities of attendees outside the meetingss are more important than this, but I'm not an expert. SeventyThree(Talk) 09:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Conspiracy theory stuff that doesn't merit categorisation. Osomec 14:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have an article on the Bilderberg group and this in not a conspiracy theory. The theories only concern the actual purpose of the group. User:Dimadick
  • Delete Only conspiracy theorists would call attending a Bilderberg meeting a defining characteristic. CalJW 07:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Famous Navy SEALs

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty), is actually a list, not used as a category --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a category, should be listified -- ProveIt (talk) 22:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bravo's 100 Funniest Movies

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Categorycruft. If every "best of" list had its own category than the list of cats for movies like Citizen Kane and On the Waterfront would be longer than the articles themselves. I don't think it's worthy of listifying either due to possible copyvio and WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. BoojiBoy 21:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Television show lists do not deserve categories. --Musicpvm 22:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and listify, as are all the lists in Category:AFI 100 Years series. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Osomec 14:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bravo's 100 Funniest Movies. List was created on 2 June 2006; nominated for deletion 18 hours before the category was nominated. -- Jonel | Speak 02:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and do not listify, as it would very probably just be a bare list. Oh yeah, it IS a bare list that's being considered for deletion. I'd be fine with a list that gave info e.g. year, director, country etc. Reminds me of a 50 funniest people list/cat from a while back, just leads to clutter. Deizio talk 02:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and merely mention/reference in articles where considered appropriate for them. This is not a noteworthy category. -- nae'blis (talk) 04:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: First the template was up for deletion, now the category that is attached to the template is up for deletion. Also the list is up for deletion. All should be kept, if just to show one of the most hated comedy film lists of all time. Even I didn't agree with it, and I created the template and category. Lists are all fine and well, but I didn't think that this list deserved a list on here. Just slap the category at the bottom of the page and be done with it. Categories are at the end of the article, so the least important part of it. Let the category stand and delete the list instead. Also, if the category is deleted, then the template will automatically create a redlink category. Its not like this category has only 2 or 3 items in it, it has 100 items. Let it stand, and delistify other top 100 lists and make them all categories that can be dismissed easily by the reader. The whole idea of this was to give some of these films at least one "award" which they would not have gotten otherwise.
    &#151;Lady Aleena talk/contribs 19:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • And when categories for Bravo's 100 Best Movies, A&E's 100 Best Musicals, and the best list for every movie critic in the country all get categories, the articles for the movies generally considered the best will have more lines devoted to the categories that they're in then article text. I don't have a problem including notable best lists but they need to be lists not categories. --JeffW 22:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Categories do not require maintenance. Lists do. Categories are easier to do, so there could be hundred of categories such as this which take no maintenance. Categories can be slapped on the tail end of articles. Lists require more typing instead of an easy copy-n-paste of the same info on however many articles are in the category. Keep categories over lists, as they are much easier to maintain and add to.
      &#151;Lady Aleena talk/contribs 01:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Again, "If every "best of" list had its own category than the list of cats for movies like Citizen Kane and On the Waterfront would be longer than the articles themselves." Do you have any idea how many best-of lists are out there? If the information is to be kept it should be in a list, not a category. BoojiBoy 01:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • To address Lady Aleena's points, this particular subject isn't going to change, or at least I'm assuming if Bravo comes out with another list on the same subject it would be called Bravo's 100 Funniest Movies, 2008, so there is no maintenance issue. On the other hand if Bravo came out with another list and you wanted to update the current list then the maintenance is exactly the same for the category as it would be for a list. Another issue that no one has mentioned is that the order of the list is one of, if not the most, important aspects of the list yet the category has the movies in alphabetical order
  • Delete -- non-notable category; further, creating such a grouping is likely a copyvio, as it is based on a list created by a business (NBC-Universal) -- hence such a list is copyrighted.--LeflymanTalk 00:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. CalJW 07:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Just FYI, to those who say to listify this, the list has been deleted! -LA @ 18:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Veterans against the Iraq War

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty), is actually a list, not used as a category --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a category, should be listified -- ProveIt (talk) 21:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:World Cities to Category:World cities

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The result of the debate was Delete (see also June 22) --William Allen Simpson 05:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy after objections. Vegaswikian 21:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Should be deleted or withdrawn as I nominated this for outright deletion instead. I don't want to remove this in case it's somehow vandalism to remove it. — Nathan (talk) 06:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization, per Global city article - Powers 19:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Catholic Church and ecumenism

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The result of the debate was merge Tim! 18:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Catholic ecumenical and interfaith relations. -- ProveIt (talk) 20:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Travelers to Category:Travel writers

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Conscious 17:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge -- Recent creation includes just two writers that happen to travel a lot. Confusingly named with the ethic group Travellers. --William Allen Simpson 19:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:African-American singers to Category:African American singers

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Conscious 17:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should be merged, as the category should be consistent with its parent categories (Category:African American musicians, Category:African Americans) and the African American article which all do not have hyphens. --Musicpvm 18:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:User AmE-0

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The associated userbox as been userfied per the German solution - but we really don't want (or need) a category of wikipedians who don't speak american english. Divisive - inflammetory etc...--Aoratos 17:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Car rallying to Category:Rally racing

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The result of the debate was rename. Conscious 17:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just an awkward name. It is usually referred to as either "Rally racing" or simply "Rallying." Either is OK with me. Now that I think about it, there are other types of events called "rallies" that are not races per se and have nothing to do with what is in this category (see regularity rally), so I suggest "Rally racing." Recury 17:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:National Hockey League goaltenders (current) and Category:National Hockey League goaltenders (former)

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The result of the debate was merge Tim! 18:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:National Hockey League goaltenders. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nonfiction books to Category:Non-fiction books

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The result of the debate was rename; I'll simply reverse the category redirect and let the cat redirect bot handle the articles. --RobertG ♬ talk 15:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to include hyphen; this is apparently proper usage. Other categories with "non-fiction" in the title are all hyphenated. MakeRocketGoNow 17:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nonfiction television characters

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This is a contradiction in terms- If it's nonfiction, they aren't "characters," are they? MakeRocketGoNow 17:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Famous Punjabis

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The result of the debate was merge Tim! 18:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Punjabi people. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Denverites to Category:People from Denver

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The result of the debate was Category Redirect as with Category:Detroiters below. See the recent change to Wikipedia:Categorization of people, redirect demonyms to "People from ..." form. --William Allen Simpson 08:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Judging from similar categories on American cities, this is the standard usage. User:Arual 16:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Online Advertising

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Category:Internet advertising and promotion. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Exeter, Devon to Category:Exeter

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 15:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For consistency with article at Exeter - there are no other categories for places called Exeter. — sjorford++ 15:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Biopics

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The result of the debate was Category Redirect --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:Biographical films. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
{{categoryredirect}}, I believe. Close enough :) SeventyThree(Talk) 09:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Oops - thanks!  David Kernow 15:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Articles of WikiProject Lakes to Category:WikiProject Lakes

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 18:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match other members of Category:Geographical WikiProjects -- ProveIt (talk) 15:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Hephaestos

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just used by Hephaestos impersonators for a little bit of immature fun, and I doubt Hephaestos would run sockpuppets. --Deathphoenix ʕ 15:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Characters in opera

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For deletion. Articles about individual characters in opera would fragment coverage to an extraordinary extent. (At present we only have one article on an opera (among about 500) which is over 30k.) - Kleinzach 15:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tommy Boy to Category:Tommy Boy artists

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 18:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match other members of Category:Performers by record label -- ProveIt (talk) 14:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Airports by South-America

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 18:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think Category:Airports by country is good enough. If kept, it should be renamed to Category:Airports in South America -- ProveIt (talk) 13:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Airports by Europe

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 18:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think Category:Airports by country is good enough. If kept, it should be renamed to Category:Airports in Europe. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I generally prefer not to categorize by continent. For many of us, the line between Europe and Asia is not all that clear. And Turkey goes in both. I have to stop and look it up where Kazakhstan is supposed to go. However, if we go by country or nation, then its easy to find. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is no issue adding by country categories. If someone does this, the nomination here can become a Delete. Vegaswikian 19:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:13 year old Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought we decided not to do these -- ProveIt (talk) 13:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Music comedies

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For deletion. Redundant opera category. Doesn't correspond to any recognized genre. - Kleinzach 13:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Works by ___location

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category's subcats have been depopulated and replaced by categories styled Collections of the Foo Museum, per the CfD for Category:Works in the Louvre. All that remains is for them to be deleted. The parent category is also redundant because of Category:Museum collections. HAM   11:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Kingston and Richmond

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 14:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename both, for consistency with their articles, and to avoid ambiguity. — sjorford++ 10:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:1965 mystery novels

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The result of the debate was delete Tim! 18:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Only one title was in this sub-category, moved to parent and nominating this as a currently unnecessary sub-category for this novel genre type. This is the only the second sub-category by novel, by genre, by year (also by the same editor) and I know of no formal proposal for such as this. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - none of the reasons given are valid for deletion:
  • "Only one title was in this sub-category" - irrelevant (see Category:English popes, which easily survived CFD)
  • "only the second sub-category by novel, by genre, by year" - so...?
So it is unneeded, the "year" novels is only recently being established. The novel in question is already in "year" novels and already in "Mystery" novels categories. This pattern is in use by many, maybe even hundreds of novel articles now. Why have a "rouge" couple of articles? Surely categorization should have consistency of approach and style. Otherwise the gain in having them is likely to be dissipated. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • "by the same editor" - err... and... ?
Ok that was no reason - quite agree. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • "I know of no formal proposal" - that is because there is no such thing as a method of "formally proposing" new cats: Wikipedia ain't big on bureaucracy
Wikipedia ain't big on bureaucracy! - in the world of templates and stub notices certainly it is!. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Now, if the nominator can provide some better reasons I may reconsider... (eg. "Mystery novel" is not a very clear criterion?)
--Mais oui! 14:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Returned as requested - I didn't know that - Where does the guidance say that. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Football venues in Australia to Category:Football (soccer) venues in Australia

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 14:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should conform with the way WP:AWNB proposed for naming of association football categories and articles (here and here). As seen in Category:Football (soccer) in Australia, almost all categories and articles now follow this convention, this is one of the few remaining. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 07:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy rename (this isn't one of the criteria specifically, but I don't think there should be a problem in this case). Nominator. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 07:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. Better fit for naming conventions. Good catch. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 12:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. This might not be the best place to ask this, but I notice MCG is in this cat, even though it is not a rectangular stadium. Should this include venues that are designed for football (soccer), or venues that are capable of hosting football (soccer) games? -- Chuq 00:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Good catch. I think the category is for stadiums which have hosted a football/soccer match even if they aren't used regularly. The WACA, Subiaco and (possibly) Telstra Stadium would also fall into the category of not-designed-for by used for soccer. I'm split as to whether this should be changed for only those designed for the specific sport... AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 02:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. I think the category should include grounds which have hosted soccer games. (Anyway, Telstra Stadium was definitely designed with soccer and both rugby codes in mind.) JPD (talk) 10:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename with scope as per JPD above. Ansell 00:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Rename football isn't just reserved for soccer. sliat_1981
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Category:Field Hockey at the Summer Olympics to Category:Field hockey at the Olympics

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 18:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Similar categories don't include Summer or Winter and they don't capitalize any but the first word of the sport. Caerwine Caerwhine 06:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Olympic Judo to Category:Judo at the Olympics

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 18:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The other event categories for the Summer Olympics all use the X at the Olympics format. Caerwine Caerwhine 06:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Olympic football competitions to Category:Football at the Olympics

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The result of the debate was merge. Conscious 17:53, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The other event categories for the Summer Olympics all use the X at the Olympics format. Caerwine Caerwhine 06:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

  • If the football they address is soccer, "football"→"football (soccer)" seems to be accepted disambiguation. I'll tag and nominate them if no-one else has by the time I wander past here again. Regards, David Kernow 14:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC), amended 00:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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X Australian

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 18:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Consistent with the majotity of ethnicity categories for Australia, the following should be renamed to exclude the hyphen.--Peta 05:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Australian people of Cypriot descent

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 19:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A more simple Category:Cypriot Australians would serve the same purpose and maintain consistency in naming.--Peta 05:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Australian people by ethnicity

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 09:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is a subcat of Category:Australian people by ethnic or national origin of little use.--Peta 05:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States abortion rights case law to Category:United States abortion case law

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 15:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For consistency with its parent, Category:Abortion case law, and sibling, Category:Canadian abortion case law. GTBacchus(talk) 05:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Field hockey

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The result of the debate was rename per revised proposal. Conscious 17:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are four British field hockey categories that add parenthesis to the field which should be removed to match the other field hockey categories.

*category:Women's field hockey to category:Female field hockey players

Okay. I tagged them all and changed your nomination accordingly.--Mike Selinker 15:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Detroit, Michigan to Category:Detroiters

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The result of the debate was Category Redirect both to Category:People from Detroit. See the recent change to Wikipedia:Categorization of people, redirect demonyms to "People from ..." form. --William Allen Simpson 08:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed shorter name would be consistent with categories for people from other major U.S. cities, e.g., Category:Bostonians, Category:Chicagoans, Category:Cincinnatians, Category:Clevelanders, Category:Miamians, etc. Kestenbaum 04:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. "Detroiter" is standard usage; I have never heard of a "Detroitian". Kestenbaum 04:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment. The fight over demonyms for city resident categories (Chicagoans, Atlantans, etc.) occurred a year ago. I can't find any more recent CfD on the subject, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places. Kestenbaum 04:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Still another comment. The demonym model is also used for non-U.S. major cities, e.g., Category:Londoners, Category:Parisians, Category:Berliners, Category:Muscovites, etc. Kestenbaum 05:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Agreed that categories for smaller places should be "people from". But I doubt you'd get very far trying to change Category:Bostonians or Category:Parisians. Demonyms are already tolerated for dozens of important cities -- and isn't Detroit an important city? Perhaps we need a definition of "important city" as a lower bound for using a demonym. For example Category:Marshallites refers to people from Marshall, Texas -- who would have guessed? Kestenbaum 17:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. If other major cities are allowed to use demonyms, why shouldn't Detroit? It is one of the largest cities in the U.S. (larger than several of the ones mentioned above), and "Detroiters" is a correct term. --Musicpvm 17:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some Data. Here's the Google hit counts for demonyms currently used as titles for categories of U.S. city residents, from Category:People by American city. Of course, some city-resident categories may not be listed there. Interesting to note that the list does not correlate as well to city population as you might expect. Obviously my argument is that high ranking (widely used) demonyms are legitimate category titles. Kestenbaum 20:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[begin data list]

Google hits for demonym; link to category with demonym name

[end data list; signature above]

The problem is that demonyms are well-known only by the people who use them on a regular basis. Since I don't deal with Detroit much, I'd have no idea which is the correct one. Some cities don't even have a consensus on demonym. For example, Google returns about 70,000 hits for Baltimorean and 18,000 for Baltimoron. (Yes, I know that Baltimoron is usually used for humorous effect, my mom is a Baltimoron herself.) Then there is the potential for confusion in some of these. The eponym Austinian is used to describe a branch of legal philosophy, so if we ever wanted a category for Austinians, it would likely get swamped by misplaced entries of Austinites if we keep using demonyms when they aren't required. Finally, categories of a similar type should follow a uniform pattern for ease of use. As you've already pointed out, once we get past the well know cities, to places such as Duluth, ease of use goes out the window for demonyms. Anyway, it looks like this nomination will founder on the shoals of no consensus. Caerwine Caerwhine 23:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It has been made clear to me that several people count the residents of a Category:Foo's suburban areas as being Category:Fooers. On that basis, I think that the slightly more inclusive title "People from Detroit" or "People from Detroit, Michigan" would be more useful. As is already done in the People from the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex area category, a subcategory for people who are from the city of Detroit proper could very easily be named "Detroiters". And a redirect for all of the city-specific names, like Denverites and El Pasoans and Detroiters, could easily be added if the name is changed. One person's opinion, anyway. Badbilltucker 23:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Maybe it's because of the peculiar alienation between the city of Detroit and surrounding areas, but I would not describe someone who lives a few miles outside the city limits, with no ties to the city, as a "Detroiter" or one of the "People from Detroit". In my experience people from suburban areas such as Oakland and Macomb counties become highly offended if someone introduces them as being from "Detroit". At least in this case, if you wanted a broader geographic category, it would have to be "Metro Detroit" or "Southeast Michigan". Kestenbaum 08:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Kestenbaum's point above is well taken. However, we should all remember that very few people outside of our own specific areas know where the smaller, suburban, cities are at all, and that this often prompts people to use the less exact, but better known, name of the central main city of the area. Also, I note that several of the teams with "Detroit" in their names have or had their venues well outside the city limits. And, while I would support renaming all these categories "People from the [x] metropolitan area," I'm not sure whether anyone else would. Badbilltucker 21:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Natives of Montenegro to Category:Montenegrin people by place

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The result of the debate was Relisted, as it was forgotten or overlooked on the original day by closer Conscious (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Subcategorize them to city and municipalities makes this cat more useful. Matt86hk talk 01:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fat Albert

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The result of the debate was keep Tim! 19:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Only two articles in category and little prospect of it ever expanding Psychonaut3000 01:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Non-fiction crime books to Category:Nonfiction crime books

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The result of the debate was Withdrawn --William Allen Simpson 19:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to eliminate unnecessary hyphen. MakeRocketGoNow 00:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Just noticed we might need to have a revisit of it's parent then Category:Nonfiction books as this has no space or hyphen. Interestingly most of the article within it that use the term have a hyphen. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw - Gosh, didn't realize hyphens were a hot-button issue. If the hyphen is proper usage, I withdraw my cfd nomination, and instead nominate Category:Nonfiction books for renaming to Category:Non-fiction books. Currently, Category:Non-fiction books is a category redirect to Category:Nonfiction books. So it should be reversed. MakeRocketGoNow 17:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cfr added to Category:Nonfiction books, See: #Category:Nonfiction books to Category:Non-fiction books
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