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Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Adopt an astronaut needs revival
editSo just going through the sub-projects of this group. I visited Adopt an astronaut page and found that it is still on NASA Astronaut Group 16 while presently (as of 2025) we are at NASA Astronaut Group 24. ESA, ISRO and UAE also had their astronaut programs since. I checked the edit history and found out that the last major edit was in September 2023. Now I don't know if the project is defunct (as it isn't according to project page) or just forgotten. But can someone please look into it (possibly someone in leadership position within this group). Also, can someone tell me how to know the current assessment of a group of articles / bunch of different groups (or maybe how to use the assessment bot to auto-update the list on the above mentioned sub-project page). Manav2311 (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding assessment of articles you may find these links useful:
- Assessing spaceflight articles by quality and by importance.
- Regarding Astronaut pages, please consider taking a leadership role yourself in the effort! WP:BOLD (β π¬ππππ¬ β - talk) 00:20, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Sdsds I have updated the working group with the latest astronaut groups of ISRO, NASA, JAXA and ESA. However, working (editing) all of them for one person is simply not possible, other members of the task force seem to be latent or working on other projects. The above message is meant for editors in WT:SPACEFLIGHT to kindly visit the sub-project page and "adopt an astronaut". In this way we can revive the working group or else it would be best if the project moderators decide to defunct the group since no major update has been done on the sub-project page since September 2024.
- Also, thanks for redirecting me to by quality and by importance pages. Although, the most appropriate page would be WP:ASSESS, I had already read this page twice. My question is a bit more technical - how do I add the astronaut pages to Spaceflight project so that the WB 1.0 Bot auto-updates their current evaluation. Since then, I have tried adding the {WikiProject Spaceflight|importance=|astronaut=yes} to all the astronaut pages individuals so that JL BOT can detect them and add to recognised content and therafter the assessment bot can auto-update the pages by considering them a part of the main Spaceflight project. I found many articles (in adopt an astronaut) not updated by the bot since 2020 on Wikipedia 1.0 Server (eg. NASA Astronaut group 21,22 and 23) and some couldn't be linked to Spaceflight at all whereas they are clearly realated to our project.
- All in all, I just want someone to tell me how to make the articles/their talk pages added to the bot's automatic updation list. Is the above process which I am following valid for doing so ? as I have not seen any results yet. Manav2311 (talk) 04:57, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- When we constructed the Adopt an astronaut page, the focus was on the early groups. Over time, it has been slowly extended. NASA Astronaut Group 16 was the most recent one with astronauts we were actually working on. The project is not defunct; I had Scott Carpenter at FAC in April. Anyway, bottom line is this: I can nominate astronaut articles for FAC and GAN, but I need reviewers! Let me know if you are interested in reviewing, and I can send articles for review. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:38, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7 Thank you for the offer. Maybe after carefully reviewing (reading and understanding) the quality scale, I can help you with assessment. Also, as you said, Group 16 was the most recent one, then we have to add that at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Adopt an astronaut and follow the protocol mentioned there, i.e., to add name of the "adoptee" infront of the "project" in the table of "astronauts". If the previous groups (Mercury to 15) are done, then we should remove them/ archive them from the page and add the next group so that people can focus on only those.
- Please, update the page on your convenience. (I think the main contributor (User:Kees08) who managed the sub-project is dormant since June 2024. So can you please assume the leadership of the project, @Hawkeye7 or if you have anyone else in mind, please do ask them to do the relevant changes to the project page and attract more editors. Manav2311 (talk) 07:30, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Work on the first groups is not finished yet. I have one from each FAC-ready: Gordon Cooper (Group 1), James McDivitt (Group 2), Bill Anders (Group 3) and Ron Evans (Group 5). Also the main articles on NASA Astronaut Group 3, NASA Astronaut Group 4, NASA Astronaut Group 5, NASA Astronaut Group 7 and NASA Astronaut Group 8. Take your pick.
- Groups 1 and 2 are already featured topics; Groups 3 and 5 require a series of Good Article nominations. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:51, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, I have nominated NASA Astronaut Group 3 at FAC. You can find the review page here. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:50, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- As an alternative to the 'Adopt an Astronaut' approach it might be worth considering putting effort into each astronaut biography around the times of their birthdays. That's a totally arbitrary date but that's almost the point of it: checking in on the articles on an annual basis on days distributed around the calendar year could incrementally improve them and at the same time handle any 'rot' that's been introduced. Just a thought for consideration; I'm not actually proposing undertaking the effort. (β π¬ππππ¬ β - talk) 19:24, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
Possible misidentification of astronauts
editHi, Who is the astronaut on File:As17-134-20382.jpg? [1] says he is Harrison H. Schmitt, while [2] says he is Eugene A. Cernan. So there is a possible misidentification for many of c:Category:Eugene A. Cernan in 1972 and c:Category:Harrison H. Schmitt. Any idea? Yann (talk) 16:46, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Beginning with Apollo 13, the commander had a red stripe on arms and legs of the space suit. I see no such stripe, so I conclude it was Schmitt. Wehwalt (talk) 16:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's useful. Yann (talk) 18:29, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- So I renamed the pictures. What surprises me is that File:Harrison Schmitt at the LM, Apollo 17, AS17-134-20381.jpg and File:Eugene Cernan at the LM, Apollo 17, AS17-134-20377.jpg seems to be taken at the same time from nearly the same place. Yann (talk) 18:43, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Idem for File:Eugene Cernan at the LM, Apollo 17, AS17-134-20387.jpg and File:Harrison Schmitt with the US flag, Apollo 17, AS17-134-20384.jpg. Yann (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's useful. Yann (talk) 18:29, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- It seems to me that both sources say the same thing: Cernan takes a photo of Schmitt. -- Asclepias (talk) 17:25, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Asclepias: The second source says Gene is to the left of the flag but is not holding it. To me, this indicates a picture of Eugene A. Cernan, not by Eugene A. Cernan. Yann (talk) 18:26, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- A careful examination of the ID of the photo in question (AS 17-134-20382) v.s. the photo which has the caption Gene is to the left of the flag but is not holding it. (AS17-134-20377) will reveal that indeed both the photos are completely different the photo with last 3 digits as 377 is of Eugene Cernan while the one with 382 is of Harrison Schmitt. So, as far as the validity of second source, there seems to be no problem. Manav2311 (talk) β Preceding undated comment added 19:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Asclepias: The second source says Gene is to the left of the flag but is not holding it. To me, this indicates a picture of Eugene A. Cernan, not by Eugene A. Cernan. Yann (talk) 18:26, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Yann: You were asking about photo AS17-134-20382. That source says "Gene borrows the camera to take Jack's portrait with the flag. [...] Jack is standing to the left of the flag, with the LRV and the MESA in the background.". -- Asclepias (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Ah yes, sorry I got mixed up with the number. Yann (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Yann: You were asking about photo AS17-134-20382. That source says "Gene borrows the camera to take Jack's portrait with the flag. [...] Jack is standing to the left of the flag, with the LRV and the MESA in the background.". -- Asclepias (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Many here probably know the acronym ISPR for International Standard Payload Rack. Apparently there are some other uses, possibly politically charged and/or controversial, and changes have been made to the ISPR page which was formerly a disambiguation list. I've restored it to that version and started a discussion at Talk:ISPR. Is there wiki-wide consensus that the spaceflight related meaning doesn't meet the standard set at WP:DAB? (β π¬ππππ¬ β - talk) 08:43, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know where this "other ISPR disambiguation page" is. This sounds like the usual puffery around the topic area that it was attempted to be changed to. Note that WP:CT/SA would apply... - The Bushranger One ping only 08:57, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
- It was formerly at ISPR (disambiguation) which with a recent edit now redirects to ISPR. The payload rack standard does seem to be a minor collateral damage victim here. (β π¬ππππ¬ β - talk) 02:32, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
An IP editor has recently made changes at List_of_government_space_agencies#Launch_capability regarding reusable launch technology. I reverted one and the second references Soyuz-7 (2028) in a table about Demonstrated capabilities. The text above that table might be leading to some confusion. Do we have consensus/clarity on what should be included in the table? (β π¬ππππ¬ β - talk) 02:18, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
EELV and commercial launches
editI'm soliciting comments from additional editors at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:National_Security_Space_Launch#Commercial_launches since my edit to the article was reverted and it would be good to reach a general consensus of what material the article should cover. (β π¬ππππ¬ β - talk) 04:46, 23 August 2025 (UTC)