Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines/Userbox content: Difference between revisions

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::::::The terminology used is important to the point being made otherwise it wouldn't be used. I'm not nitpicking the terminology. I'm presenting a rebuttal of your points based on the fact they are flawed. Using "POV userbox" is a deceptive misnomer" as ALL userboxes are POV. If you mean controversial ones then say so. Like I said, you don't appear to fully understand the terms you are using because the way you are using them is erroneous. --[[User:WebHamster|'''<font color="#000000">Web</font><font color="#ff0000">H</font><font color="#000000">amster</font>]]''' 00:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the whole speech I mentioned earlier seems relevant somehow, now that I've read it again.[http://deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm] -- [[User:Kendrick7|Kendrick7]]^{[[User_talk:Kendrick7|talk]]} 05:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::::The policy inspiring this whole debate does ''not'' read, ''"Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind, <strike>commercial</strike>, political, religious, or otherwise, opinion pieces on current affairs or politics, self-promotion, <strike>or advertising</strike>."'' Yet, anyway. But I feel as if that is how it is being interpreted. Coke vs. Pepsi, Flintstones vs. Mutant Ninja Turtles, Hulk Hogan vs. Grim Reaper - these are all ''controversies'' in which some people may ''advocate'' for one side or the other. It makes no sense to me that a person should be permitted to say that they enjoy watching the Flintstones but not that they enjoy reading the [[Tao te Ching]] or the [[Koran]]. Do you mean to tell me that those are bad things for an encyclopedia author to say that they approve of, and that only children's cartoons and men who stage fake fights on pay per view are worthy of being allowed? Please, let's be reasonable here! [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 19:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Comments by Jc37 ==

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:::::::::Isn't the point of Jimbo's comments that we should encourage an atmosphere of not using these POV pushing boxes (in large part by not using them ourselves) and try to avoid telling others they can't have them through polices and mass deletions. Don't we do this by the very way we react to editors with such boxes. Sometimes when I see someone behaving in what I take as an irrational manner about a particular topic, I check their Userpage. If I see boxes it may clue me in that they are just plain nuts when it comes to that particular topic (or maybe just nuts in general), so I tend to give their arguments less weight, in some cases no weight at all. I can see that I can't argue with them, so I address them the only way possible, by ignoring them. Userpages and the boxes on them, tell you a lot about other editors and what their philosophies about Wikipedia are. Lead by example and take notice of those who don't follow. I know this is largely discussed above in other forms, but I thought it was relevant to the discussion of Jimbo's comments.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]^{([[User talk:Doug|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]])} 18:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::::The policy inspiring this whole debate does ''not'' read, ''"Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind, <strike>commercial</strike>, political, religious, or otherwise, opinion pieces on current affairs or politics, self-promotion, <strike>or advertising</strike>."'' Yet, anyway. But I feel as if that is how it is being interpreted. Coke vs. Pepsi, Flintstones vs. Mutant Ninja Turtles, Hulk Hogan vs. Grim Reaper - these are all ''controversies'' in which some people may ''advocate'' and push their POV for one side or the other. It makes no sense to me that a person should be permitted to say that they enjoy watching the Flintstones but not that they enjoy reading the [[Tao te Ching]] or the [[Koran]]. Do you mean to tell me that those are bad things for an encyclopedia author to say that they approve of, and that only children's cartoons and men who stage fake fights on pay per view are worthy of being allowed? And does anyone really believe that deleting someone's userbox is going to make them more civil and less likely to make snap reversions in an ethnic edit war? Please, let's be reasonable here! [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 19:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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