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The content of Datagram service was merged into Datagram on 2012-08-31. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. For the discussion at that ___location, see its talk page.

Merger of Datagram service

Latest comment: 11 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

It probably was not a bad idea, but the Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Datagram/788238 feedback demonstrates that the resulting article is confusing. It is confusing even to me. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

I have added a {{confusing}} tag to the article. -—Kvng 15:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

I have made some improvements to the article and have removed the tag. ~KvnG 14:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Louis Pouzin vs. Halvor Bothner-By

Latest comment: 25 days ago6 comments3 people in discussion

RD2017 has added a bunch of information to the History section which is appreciated. They also changed existing material to credit Halvor Bothner-By with the name instead of Louis Pouzin. There are citations for both orginations. I have restored Louis Pouzin until we can sort this out. ~Kvng (talk) 14:35, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

RD2017 has reverted and added another reference supporting Halvor Bothner-By. I don't think we resolve this by choosing the version base on which has more references. RD2017 can explain why the former cited material was wrong and why this new cited material is correct? ~Kvng (talk) 14:10, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

I am vaguely familiar with the IEEE article of communication history that makes the claim, but I do not see that it is definitively a reliable source. Pouzin had certainly been working on the datagram concept for Cyclades by then, and he is most commonly quoted as the father of what we since then understand to be a datagram (in the context of IP). The definition of datagram in Transpac or X.25 was slightly different, I believe, as it still involved virtual circuits. kbrose (talk) 17:37, 20 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

It seems to me that none of the old papers that associate the datagram with Pouzin actually claim that he coined the term, only that he 'invented' it, and that can hardly be denied. In his and others' paper of the time, they only used the term packet, not yet datagram. I am going to go with RD2017's attribution. A new book about Pouzin also makes the same claim, and when French authors writing about a Frenchman give credit to a Norwegian does not smell like preferential national treatment. I'll be adding the reference to the article soon. kbrose (talk) 02:17, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

RD2017, Kvng and Kbrose Hello, I hope you are doing fine, did you finally find a solution to this problem, because current text is not clear because it stated that Halvor Bothner-By did coined the word while the a reference used say it is Pouzin.

Thank you in advance.--Michel Bakni (talk) 22:17, 17 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

kbrose's research indicated that the term originated with Halvor Bothner-By though he did not invent it. The first sentence of the History section and its refs are consistent with this. ~Kvng (talk) 13:22, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

https:// ref.internet.apps.samsung.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.88.213.116 (talk) 21:34, 29 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Article rating

Latest comment: 3 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

I wouldn’t rate it that high.  Grammar has outright errors, the explanation of what a datagram is is muddied with excessive and, in my opinion, irrelevant history (the concept of a datagram dates back to human being’s earliest attempts to communicate at a distance), and the reader (me, in this case) is left knowing little more than what was known before reading the article. 216.152.18.132 (talk) 18:21, 1 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Updated to Start class. Whizz40 (talk) 18:47, 1 May 2025 (UTC)Reply