Talk:MPEG-1 Audio Layer II

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On 3 August 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from MPEG-1 Audio Layer II to MP2. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Rename to avoid confusion with specific versions

Latest comment: 4 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

This article should be renamed to MP2 (audio coding format) to avoid confusion between the name that includes all versions (MP2) and names for specific versions (MPEG-1 Audio Layer II, MPEG-2 Audio Layer II). --Fernando Trebien (talk) 21:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Yes definitely the current name just makes it all confusing with the other articles. I think it should just be renamed to MP2 on its own. There is no other article that has the name MP2 as its main name or abbreviation so this can be just MP2. Mpaytw (talk) 18:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 3 August 2025

Latest comment: 1 day ago6 comments4 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Tenshi! (Talk page) 18:34, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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MPEG-1 Audio Layer II → MP2 – Better known under the abbreviated name and there already is support for it. Also MP2 is not an abbreviation for MPEG-2 for anyone unfamiliar with this topic. MP2 only refers to this and there is no other topic strictly called 'MP2' as this. Shamefurb (talk) 22:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 11:25, 11 August 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 12:34, 18 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

• Oppose: You say, "MP2 only refers to this and there is no other topic strictly called 'MP2'..." Maybe to you, but MP2 is already a disambiguation page exactly because it means more than one thing to more than one person. Strictly speaking, it would equate to MPEG-2, and that's why "MPEG-2" is already listed on the disambig. While there might be subtle differences between this and other senses in formatting ("MP2", "MP 2", or "MP-2"), I don't think that's nearly enough to justify overwriting the disambig. "MP2" simply isn't enough of a common name for this less-popular audio format in my opinion. It's certainly not as popular as "MP3". And while I can appreciate the attempt at naming consistency with MP3, I think the redirect at MP1MP1 and the article at MPEG-1 Audio Layer I are the better precedents here. — voidxor 23:19, 3 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  Actually no, I am certain MP2 already exists as it is rather because this article title uses the long, full, technical name to begin with. Check those other pages: the name 'MP2' is only a footnote mention in the MP-2 firearms page it leads to, and is not even mentioned in MP 2 the geological zone page. Also there is another slight issue: note what the user Fernando Trebien has written years ago here. Namely that this page also consists of MPEG-2 Audio Layer II alongside MPEG-1 Audio Layer II (i.e. MP2 consists of both, just as MP3 consists of both MPEG-1 Audio Layer III and MPEG-2 Audio Layer III). There's absolutely no need for these overly long technical titles. Shamefurb (talk) 23:29, 3 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  I might not have been clear with my point about the other senses. It's irrelevant whether or not those articles have a hatnote referring back to MP2 or MPEG-1 Audio Layer II. What matters is what readers searching for "MP2" are most commonly looking for. I think you're getting hung up on whether or not there's a space or a hyphen (i.e. "MP 2" and "MP-2"). People searching for one of the other word senses will not know that subtle difference, and are equally likely to type "MP2" into Wikipedia or Google as "MP 2" or "MP-2". In the case of the gun, "MP2" is correct anyway. I'm saying that the sense of "MP3" as the audio format is far clearer than "MP2" as an audio format, at least gauging what most people would think of. So in other words, I prefer the disambig at MP2.

  But moreover, you need to be clearer what you want done with the existing disambiguation page at MP2. Are you proposing it be eliminated, and this article be moved over it? Is that really fair to folks searching for one of the other senses?

  If there's no need for the long technical name, then why is MPEG-1 Audio Layer I where it is? It doesn't appear you are proposing that one be moved. — voidxor 00:54, 4 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Note: WikiProject Software and WikiProject Computing have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 11:25, 11 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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