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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Dan Fogler, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources to see how to add references to an article. Thank you. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:46, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note. The character’s full name, including the nickname, is taken directly from how they are referred to within the film itself. While it's not listed in the official end credits, using the film as a primary source is acceptable under WP:PRIMARY, as long as the information is presented in a straightforward, descriptive manner. Other articles follow similar practice. 220.244.75.251 (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- MOS:FILMCAST is part of the manual of style and should be followed unless there is a WP:IAR justified reason to go against it. What other articles do isn't a justification. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:07, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Mars Needs Moms, you may be blocked from editing. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:48, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- The full character names are sourced directly from the film itself, even though they may not appear in the credits. This is common practice in Wikipedia articles where details are taken from the film's content, not just the credits. 220.244.75.251 (talk) 15:52, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:FILMCAST "Names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source." The credits are the primary source to be used. Full names are generally never used as common names in a work and are generally just trivia of no importance. In a character article it might be appropriate to have full names if they are sourced (video source cite with exact timestamp so it can be verified) but outside that go with the credits. Credits are easy to verify. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- I noticed the quote you’ve been referencing “Names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source” but it seems like a narrow interpretation of the broader guideline. WP:PRIMARY still allows for straightforward, non-interpretive information taken directly from the film, including full names or nicknames that are clearly spoken or shown. This isn’t the same as applying interpretive labels like “villain,” which the guideline warns against. I’ve also seen multiple film articles use the (First name "Nickname" Last name) format where the nickname is prominent in the film, even if not reflected in the credits. 220.244.75.251 (talk) 22:10, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- The cast list is from the primary source and is easy to find. Usually the nickname is the common name and the full name is of no importance to the story. The cast list is authoritative and overrides everything else. Also specifically targeted MOS guidelines such as those for films can restrict the more general guidelines as long as they don't conflict. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:22, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- I noticed the quote you’ve been referencing “Names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source” but it seems like a narrow interpretation of the broader guideline. WP:PRIMARY still allows for straightforward, non-interpretive information taken directly from the film, including full names or nicknames that are clearly spoken or shown. This isn’t the same as applying interpretive labels like “villain,” which the guideline warns against. I’ve also seen multiple film articles use the (First name "Nickname" Last name) format where the nickname is prominent in the film, even if not reflected in the credits. 220.244.75.251 (talk) 22:10, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:FILMCAST "Names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source." The credits are the primary source to be used. Full names are generally never used as common names in a work and are generally just trivia of no importance. In a character article it might be appropriate to have full names if they are sourced (video source cite with exact timestamp so it can be verified) but outside that go with the credits. Credits are easy to verify. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
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