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Paul Albert Leitner
edithi, you've flagged the article Paul Albert Leitner as "like a resumé". this was almost a year ago, nothing happened since. are you willing to discuss this? everything's properly sourced and quoted and from people from the field. i'd be willing to work on this, but i'm not sure what the problem is. maybe things sound different in english than they do in german? thanks! Mars Mli (talk) 19:21, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Of course, @Mars Mli I will have a look at it again, and get back to you here. I'm guessing it was probably flagged it while reviewing articles on New Page Patrol during a backlog, and it fell off my "radar screen". English WP and other language Wikipedias all have different standards for best practices and guidelines, so that may also be a factor. Netherzone (talk) 19:34, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mars Mli, I had a look at the article, and see that the main problem was the long list of both solo and group exhibitions. I've moved these to the article talk page (and left a message there). The English Wikipedia's Manual of Style for visual arts states this about lists of exhibitions:
Long lists of exhibitions should be avoided. It will rarely be useful to mention more than five exhibitions. For contemporary and modern artists the venue of exhibitions can be important evidence of notability, but only the most important should be given.
My advice to you is to chose the five most prestigious solo shows (at either museums, major Kunsthalles or National Galleries (rather than commercial galleries or smaller venues); and make sure to add independent reliable sources to back up that these shows occurred (like a review, or a passage from an art history book or academic journal article). Then add these five exhibitions back to the article. - I also think the Awards section and Publications section and Further reading section can be trimmed per WP:NOTAWEBHOST and WP:NOTRESUME. Encyclopedia articles should be a synopsis of the most important accomplishments that contribute to a person's notability. The rest should be on the artist's personal website, or gallerists website.
- Thanks you for creating the article and for your contributions! Netherzone (talk) 19:53, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- thanks so much for your detailed response. i appreciate this a lot. the exhib-list was not on my radar at all. i will work on this an get back to you. Mars Mli (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mars Mli, you are welcome! Don't hesitate to ping me or reach out here again if you have any other questions, or would like me to review the article again before removing the maintenance tag at the top of the article. Happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- i definitely will ping our before removing the tag. all the best, m Mars Mli (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mars Mli, you are welcome! Don't hesitate to ping me or reach out here again if you have any other questions, or would like me to review the article again before removing the maintenance tag at the top of the article. Happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- thanks so much for your detailed response. i appreciate this a lot. the exhib-list was not on my radar at all. i will work on this an get back to you. Mars Mli (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mars Mli, I had a look at the article, and see that the main problem was the long list of both solo and group exhibitions. I've moved these to the article talk page (and left a message there). The English Wikipedia's Manual of Style for visual arts states this about lists of exhibitions:
June music
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Stravinsky pictured on his birthday + Vienna pics - but too many who died -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
While you are of course invited to check out my recommendations any day, today offers unusually a great writer of novels, music with light and a place with exquisite food. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing, Gerda. Netherzone (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
Draft:Edgar Fabián Frías
editHi, User:Netherzone thank you for reviewing my draft Edgar Fabián Frías , i have improved the article as you mentioned by removing blogs and other unreliable source as well as tried to write this again in a more neutral point of view, i have few doubts where i need your help with, i wanted to know are we allowed to use They/Them pronouns to describe a person who have openly came out as Queer in public, i have read the guidelines based on that in Wikipedia where it tell that we can, but still wanted someone else opinion on this. other than that do let me know what other improvements should i make for this Wikipedia page to make it sounds more neutral, and reliably source, any kind of suggestion will be highly aspirated looking forward to hear from you soon, thanks! Frank Ludwig347 (talk) 03:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Frank Ludwig347, I will have deeper look at it when I get a chance in the next few days and let you know if any additional improvements are necessary. Thank you for your work improving the draft. Some of the tone still needs cleaning up, a couple things sound a bit promotional; and you should use their last name throughout rather than "Edgar". I'll get back to you at some point or make a few edits myself when I find the time. Of course it is perfectly OK to use they/them pronouns if that is what the person uses and/or it's in reliable sources. Thank you again for your contributions. Netherzone (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the help! I will also do the changes as you suggested! Frank Ludwig347 (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Don't hesitate to ask if you have any further questions. When I come up for air I will have another look at the draft article (I'm quite busy at the moment). Happy editing. Netherzone (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the help! I will also do the changes as you suggested! Frank Ludwig347 (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
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Hi! Thanks for participating in the Articles for Creation June Backlog Drive! We've done amazing work so far, dropping the backlog by more than 2000 drafts already. We have around 1900 drafts outstanding, and we need your help to get that down to zero in 5 days. We can do this, but we need all hands on deck to make this happen. A list of the pending drafts can be found at WP:AFCSORT, where you can select submissions in your area of interest. Thank you so much for your work so far, and happy reviewing! – DreamRimmer ■ 01:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
May 2025 NPP backlog drive – Points award
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| This award is given in recognition to Netherzone for accumulating at least 50 points during the May 2025 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 17,000+ articles reviewed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC) |
- Happy to help out! Netherzone (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
WP-article about a French artist that needs improvement, if you're interested. Stumbled on it at [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:37, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi there @Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Wow, thank you for thinking of me, but that would be a huge project to take on and I'm just not in the position of devoting a lot of time because of real-life commitments. The article is almost entirely unsourced, and mostly written in an anecdotal manner. It would require back-researching and retrofitting sources to match the current claims in the article. It seems that the best approach would be either TNT, or to prune it down to a short, but well sourced stub consisting of a paragraph or two (and moving the unsourced content to the talk page, or leave in article history.) That way editors could take their time rebuilding the content as sources are found.
- Courtesy ping @Willthehelpfuleditor Do you have any thoughts on stubbification rather than retrofitting? Netherzone (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the courtesy ping! Of course absolutely echo everything you are saying. Stubbification might be a good (if possibly the best) next step. However, I was maybe going to take a run at it, try to touch it up, and going through the French versions sources prior to that. Overall, the translated article is in such rough shape that it will still certainly need an overhaul. I think you are far more experienced on this and thus I'll trust your judgement in the end regarding the best steps to proceed with. Willthehelpfuleditor (talk 23:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello @Willthehelpfuleditor - Go for it, if you think you can take a run at it based on the French version. That would be great! I have the French fluency of a 5 year old. Ha! If working off the French article proves too labor intensive, I'm happy to help with trimming it back to a stub once a few decent sources are found. I can't spend too much time because travel, life, and two big real life projects are in the works. Nice meeting you here! Netherzone (talk) 23:46, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the courtesy ping! Of course absolutely echo everything you are saying. Stubbification might be a good (if possibly the best) next step. However, I was maybe going to take a run at it, try to touch it up, and going through the French versions sources prior to that. Overall, the translated article is in such rough shape that it will still certainly need an overhaul. I think you are far more experienced on this and thus I'll trust your judgement in the end regarding the best steps to proceed with. Willthehelpfuleditor (talk 23:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
June 2025 AfC backlog drive award
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This is awarded to Netherzone for accumulating more than 15 points during the June 2025 AfC backlog drive. Your dedication and sustained efforts in reducing the backlog and contributions to Wikipedia's content review process are sincerely appreciated. Thank you for your participation! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:33, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
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Check out my talk, - if you have little time, listen to Gilda Cruz-Romo in the final scene of Aida, if you have more read her article, and if you have still more check out my music, some sung with me in choir, some played by friends, all heard with friends. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda! I quickly looked at the article which looks great - will read more deeply and listen when I have the time. Such a wonderful portrait of Gilda! Will check out your music as well. Netherzone (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! The image - as many others of articles I expand such as Helena Tattermuschová - was supplied by Storye book. - If you like Brahms, I recommend the streaming of yesterday's concert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Today is Bastille Day, commemorated by a DYK as my "story" and a visit to the Bastille Opera in "music". I like the interview coming with the story, on the day before the big event, but for pomp and circumstance, the affair with 600 singing children and orchestra, and the singer dressed in the national flag, was also captured on videos, much slower. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- I remember a 2016 TFA in today's story, in memory of 16 July 1916. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Three Ukrainian topics were on the main page today, at least at the beginning, RD and DYK, - see my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
- Three of "my" recent deaths bios are on the main page right now, one my story today, Gary Karr, and I loved to find his breakthrough concert in 1962 as a video. In my music today I match it with 9 other double bassists, 7 conducted by a person who's birthday is today - coincidence ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- Four yesterday. - Béatrice Uria-Monzon and her story, Julia Hagen and her no story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- On Bach's day of death, I decorated my user pages in memory of his music, and my story ends on "peace". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
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RSN discussion
editHi Netherzone, there's a reliable sources noticeboard discussion at WP:RSN#Independence of Art Galleries that may benefit from your knowledge and expertise, if you're so interested. Cheers, Left guide (talk) 03:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks Left guide, I will have a look at the discussion. Netherzone (talk) 15:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Pastirma must be locked
editPastirma must be locked, for a new user is constantly deleting 5 inline citations and the content that comes with it, he should not be able to vandalise it anymore! Grasshalm (talk) 18:58, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Grasshalm, You are both edit warring, and you have been casting aspersions towards the other editor which violates civility policies. It is entirely inappropriate to use dyslexia as a slur, and assuming bad faith and casting aspersions such as calling the other editor "ignorant", "nationalistic", "ridiculous", "desperate", "deluded" is not how editors are to behave here.
- There have been 18 or 19 reverts on Pastirma in the past day. Both you and the other editor are edit warring. Take it to an administrator's notice board, such as WP:ANI or WP:ANI/EW or seek dispute resolution at WP:DRN. Netherzone (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
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August music
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Today's story - short version: ten years ago we had a DYK about a soprano who sang in concerts with me in the choir, - longer: I found today a youtube of an aria she sang with us then, recorded the same year, - if you still have time: our performances were the weekend before the Iraq war ultimatum, and we sang Dona nobis pacem (and the drummer drummed!) as if they could hear us in Washington. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda, I will check it out (I'm traveling at the moment, so when I have time in the near future will look at the links.) Hope all is well with you. Netherzone (talk) 03:20, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
- Check out my talk for an Independence day, or: the pic of Oksana Lyniv was taken on 24 August. There's listening and reading in today's story, and I like both. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
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Recent Page Engagement
editDear sir, we have recently engaged together on a discussion over the page for Moshe Reuven. After the deletion discussion which I have withdrawn (and fully agree with the general community consensus), the new editor who defended the page at the time, has substantially re-written its content, making strict emphasis on the Grammys and highlighting single release information in a covertly-promotional style.
Given the "edit war" and major COI history of the page, I believe this is not a coincidence. The page content was completely fine and encyclopedic before; now it reads like an artist page summary on Spotify. I do not want to appear prejudice, so I am asking for your second opinion.
P.S. Call me paranoid; if you listen to this podcast, the tone and writing style of the contributor Systems292 is vastly similar to the presenter. Same pauses, same logical brakes in a middle of the sentence, same tone. I will not press these charges as they are too much of a stretch, but in the back of my mind I am convinced this IS him, just using a different computer and IP to edit a page about himself. Pathetic. Silvymaro (talk) 16:45, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- friendly (talk page stalker)
- I've ECP'ed the article. Regardless of whether there is socking, which I don't have the on wiki time to pursue, it's definitely DE. Star Mississippi 17:17, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, Star, for keeping your eyes and ears open and ECP'ing the article. This is a long-term issue with the subject. Netherzone (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Any time @Netherzone
- Let me know here if ECP needs extended. I'm not watching the page.
- Safe travels! Star Mississippi 17:32, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, Star, for keeping your eyes and ears open and ECP'ing the article. This is a long-term issue with the subject. Netherzone (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Silvymaro, Thanks for reaching out I was disappointed when the AfD was withdrawn, especially before a thorough source analysis chart could be drafted. (I had drafted one and lost it because the internet connection I was on timed out before it could be published.) I've been traveling and on very slow internet connections, or insecure networks otherwise I would have redrafted it (it takes a long time to do these properly).
- To my way of thinking the long-time COI and especially the Undisclosed Paid (UPE) issues are extremely problematic, as there have been the many single purpose editors (SPA), connected editors and sockpuppets Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MosheReuven/Archive, Moshe Reuven Sheradsky, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MrEksh/Archive, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kellychi4u/Archive, MrEksh, etc. working on the article (for years). It's clearly a paid-for article with the purpose of self-promotion, I'm not saying he's not a talented person, but rather this is not the right nor honest way to go about getting attention for their work. I too am fairly convinced the new editor is him. Or that perhaps the now-blocked UPE editor, MrEksh, farmed it out to another UPE editor (who obviously does not seem to understand what a COI non-independent self-published type source is.) Either way, the COI-PAID tags should remain until matters are resolved.
- Am I correct that he simply attended the grammy's but was not nominated nor awarded? If so, just sitting in an audience does not confer notability. You might want to consider taking it to the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard for more input, or opening up a sockpuppet investigation that lists the other socks that were found in the past. I would help with this, but because of my travel situation I'm unable to do so. Good luck with your efforts! Netherzone (talk) 17:31, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with all your points. Moshe is talented and even may have borderline notable coverage, but I am convinced he is abusing Wikipedia for self-promotion, which is ill-mannered. All he had to do is tell the truth, and we would help him get a concise, well-written page. Yes, he only attended the Grammy ceremony. I will consider further action. Silvymaro (talk) 12:39, 25 August 2025 (UTC)