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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by IdanST

Latest comment: 10 days ago13 comments8 people in discussion

  Moved from Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment

Initiated by IdanST at 10:25, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Case or decision affected

User_talk:IdanST#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_topic_ban

List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request

• IdanST (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)

Information about amendment request

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement
• I followed step #1 (contacting the administrator), which was rejected, and I'm now following steps #2 and #3.

Statement by IdanST

Hey,

Since I was topic banned nine months ago, I’ve made over 500 substantial edits on English Wikipedia, as well as more than 18,000 edits across Wikimedia projects.

I apologize for my past behavior and acknowledge that I wasn’t ready to contribute constructively to contentious topics at the time. However, I now believe I’m better prepared and could contribute more effectively if the topic ban were lifted.

asilvering, sure. Prior to the topic ban, I was blocked twice for WP:ECR violations. Then, I translated Rapid Response Unit (Israel) from its Origin[he] in he.wiki, which resulted in a fast deletion and topic ban for WP:ECR, reviewing RS of Air Force articles and using the word "terrorist" in that translated article . I specifically disagree with the latter part, since there are dozens of articles that use that word, and in this case it was simply a cross-wiki translation.

After I was topic banned, I began editing in he.wiki, where I have made over 20,000 edits and translated more than 300 cross-wiki articles. A lot of my work has focused on aviation-related articles, but I have also translated a few politically sensitive articles, such as Basel Adra, We Will Dance Again, and others. All of my articles have been received in good faith. While some of the political ones were later edited by other users who felt they were not fully NPOV, not a single article I translated there has been deleted — whereas all of the cross-wiki articles I translated here were deleted.

As for what I have learned: almost all of my blocks and sanctions were due to WP:ECR, but I have long since moved past that, so it cannot be repeated. In addition, when I first started editing, I did not always behave well because I was new, unfamiliar with procedures, and unsure how to remain polite in difficult situations (as SFR once wrote, I "must assume good faith"). Since then, I have learned these lessons while editing in he.wiki. Furthermore, due to my past experiences with translating articles here, I will no longer translate articles into en.wiki. IdanST (talk) 08:15, 22 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

BTW, although all the articles I translated were deleted, Bybit was later recreated by another editor, but none of my earlier edits were restored. The rest of the deleted translated articles remain deleted. IdanST (talk) 08:37, 22 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Tamzin, I never said I had "run into POV issues" in he.wiki, nor was I ever involved in such. Also, please elaborate on your conclusion that I am "still having content faulted on hewiki for not being neutral by their standards," because I was never accused of not being neutral in he.wiki. All I said is that some editors made edits to a few articles I translated. To elaborate, some of them believe en.wiki articles themselves are not neutral. So, do you mean by your words that en.wiki is not neutral?

Tamzin, Anybody on he.wiki can edit articles; that doesn’t necessarily mean they are in bad condition or have NPOV issues. IdanST (talk) 09:06, 22 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Arbitrator response from when this was originally filed at ARCA
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
IdanST appeal: Arbitrator views and discussion @IdanST: the Arbitration Committee generally isn't the right body to appeal a CTOP restriction to, if it's on the basis of changed behavior. We only overturn CTOP actions under very narrow circumstances, usually having to do with the CTOP action being problematic when it was placed. Like the sanctioning administrator said, a better place to plead this case would be at WP:AN or WP:AE, if that's the path you're looking to take. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:55, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Agree with leeky above; Wikipedia:Contentious topics#On community review (ie. AN or AE) allows for an appeal on the grounds that "the action is no longer reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption" which seems to best align with the purpose of this appeal, while the three criteria ARCA can consider does not include this. Daniel (talk) 10:10, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Recused, as I placed this sanction. I do agree with what was said by my esteemed colleagues though, which is why I said to appeal at AE or AN in my response. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:40, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Result concerning IdanST

• It seems nobody wants to comment on this, so I guess I'll tackle it. The appeal is a bit lighter on details than I would like, but at the same time IdanST seems to have gotten into no trouble at all in the hundreds of edits and many months since their most recent block expired in February, so we may as well give them a chance, and if there is recidivism a re-ban is always a possibility. (Other admins may well see differently; my positions on user conduct matters are idiosyncratic at best) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
• @ScottishFinnishRadish: Would you like to comment (as the sanctioning administrator, not as an arb) on this appeal? Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:11, 19 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  My thoughts are roughly what I expressed at WP:ARCA recently, the topic is still to "hot", for lack of a better term, to unban editors in this topic right now. In this case, the behavior was less severe and there's recent editing that looks constructive, so I wouldn't be strongly opposed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:14, 20 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

• IdanST, can you give us a bit more to go on? For example, can you explain in your own words why you were banned, what you've learned since, and how you'll avoid the same problems? Thanks. -- asilvering (talk) 14:17, 21 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
• I appreciate Idan's candor in acknowledging having run into POV issues on hewiki, but to me that sounds like a pretty big deal. Idan's POV is closer to what hewiki defines as neutral than to what enwiki defines as neutral; if Idan is still having content faulted on hewiki for not being neutral by their standards, that bodes poorly for letting them back into the topic area here on enwiki. And the fact that there's no engagement with this issue—no introspection into why their edits were seen as non-neutral there—bodes even more poorly. I don't see grounds to unban. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 08:28, 22 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  @IdanST: I'm just going off of your own statement that some of the political ones were later edited by other users who felt they were not fully NPOV. If what you mean by that is that you were copying enwiki content blindly without regard for whether it complied with local policies, than that would seem to just be the mirror-image situation of what you describe happening here leading up to your TBAN. The English and Hebrew Wikipedias have different policies, guidelines, and norms, and an editor translating from one wiki to another is expected to ensure that their article is in compliance. You take responsibility for every edit you make to a wiki, even if it's derived from something elsewhere. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 08:56, 22 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Gianni888

Latest comment: 5 days ago6 comments3 people in discussion

Closing without further action - editor has now been properly warned about ECR asilvering (talk) 03:18, 27 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Gianni888 User who is submitting this request for enforcement Pppery (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:20, 10 August 2025 (UTC)Reply User against whom enforcement is requested Gianni888 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Wikipedia:Contentious topics/South Asia#GSCASTE extended-confirmed restriction Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 10 August 2025 turns an article on a surname into a clan in violation of ECR 1-7 August 2025: Created Draft:List_of_Kamboj_Personalities_and_Families If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics) Previously given a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction or warned for conduct in the area of conflict on 1 August 2025 by Agent VII (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Additional comments by editor filing complaint See also Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1195#User:Kambojahistory is engaged in disruption only which discussed Gianni tangentially. I've already ECP-ed Sagoo as an AE action since it's been subject to a long, long history of hijackings of that sort, bringing this here to discuss sanctions for Gianni888, which is an area I prefer to stay out of as an admin (and promised I would in my RfA). * Pppery * it has begun... 15:20, 10 August 2025 (UTC)Reply In response to SilverLocust, at least the edits to Sagoo were disruptive on their own merits (unilaterally attempting to overturn Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sagoo) * Pppery * it has begun... 04:16, 11 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Bump to prevent this from being archived unanswered. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:18, 19 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Gianni888 Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Gianni888 Sorry if i broke any laws of wikipedia but i was just trying to associate the saggu/sagoo page with caste identity because my grandmother is a saggu/sagoo and to find out her history ask my father and therefore i thought that it would be useful to show that Saggu/Saggoo Lineage belongs to Jat and Ramgharia And for the Draft:List_of_Kamboj_Personalities_and_Families, my fathers lineage is Kamboj and whenever i meet a Kamboj they never know anything about the history of the Kamboj community so i thought it would be a bright idea to show people and my family the notable Kamboj/Kambohs of history the main reason i origninally created my wiki account was to edit the Kamboj page Sorry if i broke any rules on Wikipedia Sincerely Gianni888 Statement by (username) Result concerning Gianni888 This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. Since Gianni888 apparently had not been specifically told about WP:ARBECR before this, I wouldn't sanction them merely for violating ECR (beyond a warning). The alert templates {{subst:Alert|topic=sa}} and {{subst:Alert/first|topic=sa}} have since been updated to include ECR information. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 22:37, 10 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Tiny Particle

Latest comment: 3 days ago12 comments6 people in discussion

Tiny Particle tbanned from "transgender healthcare, broadly construed". asilvering (talk) 13:16, 29 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Tiny Particle User who is submitting this request for enforcement LokiTheLiar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 00:15, 18 August 2025 (UTC)Reply User against whom enforcement is requested Tiny Particle (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:GENSEX Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 15 August 2025 [1] [2] [3] Copies text from likely-to-be-deleted article Dutch Protocol to four other articles 15 August 2025 [4] [5] Reverts change with edit summary including text You are actively trying to salt the Dutch Protocol, so the depth is needed here. 17 August 2025 Makes strange comment linking to all the new articles at an ArbCom case. 17 August 2025 Another strange comment linking to comments made by several of the article subjects. 17 August 2025 Yet another strange accusatory comment, this time implying he's doing this for anti-trans POV-pushing reasons. 17 August 2025 When the above comments predictably get one of the people at the Dutch Protocol AfD to notice and bring the new articles to AfD also, accuses her of meatpuppetry for notifying the Dutch Protocol AfD of the other AfDs. (Update: this diff has been struck at the urging of other editors.) Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any N/A If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics) Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 16 February 2025 (see the system log linked to above). Additional comments by editor filing complaint On 12 August 2025 an AfD was opened for the article Dutch Protocol, which Tiny Particle was largely responsible for writing based on the Dutch wiki's version. The issue, as pointed out by the opener, was that the article largely served as a WP:POVFORK to puberty blockers. As an apparent attempt to circumvent the AfD, Tiny Particle then created a bunch of other POVFORK articles about all the names mentioned in the Dutch Protocol article, explicitly copying text from Dutch Protocol to do so. When challenged on some of this new text they admit that they're doing it as a reaction to the AfD. Then, a few days later, they made a series of strange comments at an ArbCom case they're not a party to. In these comments they linked all the new articles and made a bunch of weird comments seeming to assert that being trans is a mental illness (against an explicit community consensus to the contrary). They also linked to several articles on a trans activist site saying the subjects of the new articles are anti-trans or gatekeepers, though they did so in apparent approval of the article subjects' (alleged) gatekeepiness. Another comment of theirs supportively quoted Wes Streeting saying that trans women are not women, which suggests to me they're doing all this for anti-trans POV-pushy reasons. Shortly after, probably because of the attention that these comments drew to the new articles, those were listed at AfD as well. In reaction to a notification of this new AfD on the original Dutch Protocol AfD, Tiny Particle accused the lister of meatpuppetry (which isn't even the right policy, I think they mean WP:CANVASSING). Basically I think this person is showing huge WP:OWNership behavior and is generally trying to circumvent AfD to push a POV through a bunch of POVFORKs. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested [6] Discussion concerning Tiny Particle Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Tiny Particle        Tiny Particle's statement contains 445 words and complies with the 500-word limit. 15 August 2025 [7] [8] [9] Created Four articles, each one of which is WP:Notable so "building the encyclopedia" 17 August 2025 This is a Arbcom workshop Comment by others: which I am perfectly entitled to make I was asked a question. The OP post was in three parts and contained a question directly addressed to me 17 August 2025 I address point 3 17 August 2025 I address point 1&2 The remaining diffs presented: 15 August 2025 [10] [11] I believe the Reverts follow WP:BRD 17 August 2025 The accusation of meatpuppetry is due to blatant WP:Canvass Here It is nonsense that the dutch protocol is a WP:POVFORK/duplicate article to puberty blockers. I have never read or commented on the Puberty Blockers. The links I added were by means of CtrlF. Also the administration of PBs is just one disipline in the multi-displinary dutch protocol. Problems which don't require deletion, including articles needing improvement, duplicate articles, or POV problems. The Dutch protocol AFD is malformed claiming that the dutch author is banned. I believe this is untrue. Yes I am not party to the current ArbCom case which is why I left my comment at Comment by others: I believe I clearly made the point that, no matter what the consensus, You can't have your cake and eat it. If there is no illness then there will be no (free) medical care as it is not needed by definition. Addressing YFNS below I asked AI how to do an author-link3 I also asked for a reliable source link for Peggy C-K's dob to start the article. I find AI to be too verbose and inaccurate to be much use for a content writer. I copy alot from other articles because there is so much overlap. If someone has already written a sentence about say a football/soccer match there are potentialy 11x2=22 articles where that article could be incrementally improved. That you have a Phd does not change the fact that "Medication is a drug used to diagnose, cure, treat, or prevent disease" Your document [12] mentions "Non-Surgical Interventions". Per wiki Intervention (disambiguation): Medical intervention, therapy to treat health problems. They are WP:Notable by the sheer influence they have had outside their own country. I can see one editor blocked for 9 months. By repeating an error it becomes a lie @Asilvering::I commented above I asked AI how to do an author-link3 I also asked for a reliable source link for Peggy C-K's dob to start the article. I find AI to be too verbose and inaccurate to be much use for a content writer. I am not aware of the elsewhere that you mention? Statement by YFNS      YFNS's statement contains 547 words and is within 10% of the 500-word limit. I raised issues with Tiny Particle's editing on their talk page which they never replied to[13] Some particular issues include: Using the "A Wider Lens" podcast by pro-conversion therapy group Genspect as a source despite being told repeatedly that's not good TP knew this was a bad source - at Dutch Protocol I removed poor sourcing[14], TP reverted and asked me to do it source by source, which I did, particularly noting the AWS podcast[15]. After that, TP makes an edit just to add the AWS podcast to a BLP[16], redirects the podcast name to it's host so knows who created it[17], and then adds the source to another BLP[18] Really weird / POV redirects (improperly redirecting terms about populations to medical articles)... Redirects transgender children from transgender youth to gender dysphoria in children[19] Redirects transgender and gender diverse to Standards of Care for the Health of Transgender and Gender Diverse People [20] Further, I want to flag the use of AI, these articles where apparently written using ChatGPT as the UTM codes for chatGPT where present in the citations[21] Regarding what TP has said here: They are not WP:Notable, I explicitly said as much, noting the articles are written almost entirely based on OR of things the subjects wrote with little to no independent coverage[22][23] The comment left at ARBCOM was espouse a FRINGE view that the community has found MEDRS don't support[24] Moreover, they claim the NHS endorsed this view. I quote the NHS saying the opposite[25], Loki notes they're getting the definition of gender dysphoria backward[26] They claim Yes there is "Gender dysphoria with mental illness comorbidity" - we have a patient for treatment. "Gender dysphoria without mental illness comorbidity" - no taxpayer funded treatment necessary. - this seems like an LLM hallucination? I've written about trans healthcare for half a decade now, and am getting a PhD in it, I have no clue what this means. They then claim that an unelected health minister is the one we should look to, and accuses me of removing evidence The UK Health Minister has said those who used to argue “trans women are women” should have the “humility” to admit they were not right. He changed his mind when presented with evidence. The evidence is out there but YFNS likes to remove from this encyclopedia. Bizarelly, accuses a number of BLP's of pathologizing trans people because their studies used the term "gender identity disorder"[27]. I need to point out, when those studies where written, that was the name of the diagnosis (which was pathologizing, but was a field-wide issue addressed a decade ago). Regarding the article of the NLWiki Dutch Protocol being written by a banned editor, it absolutely was. No other editor has disputed that. TP keeps arguing they're not in a way that borders on sealioning[28][29][30][31][32] Here is the AE case that resulted in a near-instant NOTHERE block for that editor, which links to the NLWiki cases resulting in blocks[33]. If you ask me to dig it up, I can find account blocks and IP blocks across multiple wikis and globally for that user. Their behavior has been really weird. I don't have better words than that for it. I'd support a TBAN for wasting other editors time. I originally thought it wasn't necessary and tried explaining issues to them directly, but was ignored, so now we're here I guess. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 13:24, 18 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Re LLM hallucination: The NHS only gives hormones when there aren't comorbities[34]. So another false claim. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by Licks-Rocks Wasn't really planning to involve myself, but I ended up Warning this user pretty harshly just prior to their first escapade into arbcom because by then a visit to AE was already pretty much unavoidable. Safe to say they haven't listened.. --Licks-rocks (talk) 17:26, 18 August 2025 (UTC)Reply @Asilvering (just pinging you in case you forgot about this, which seems to me to be the case) --Licks-rocks (talk) 08:12, 29 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by DanielRigal A lot of this looks like an overconfident editor acting like a bull in a china shop, which is normally just grounds for a warning to dial it back a bit, but diffs 5 and 6 are different and more concerning. Those cross the line into unfounded accusations and personal attacks. The use of LLMs is also concerning as LLMs are very good at (intentionally or otherwise) making bad content that looks superficially plausible. Finally, the doubling down when problems are pointed out is definitely not encouraging. I think some sanction is required. I'm not sure how severe it should be but their statement above does not give me much hope that Tiny Particle will be able to edit constructively in this topic area. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:11, 18 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by Cdjp1 As a note on potential LLM content, the phrase highlighted by YFNS, Yes there is "Gender dysphoria with mental illness comorbidity" - we have a patient for treatment. "Gender dysphoria without mental illness comorbidity" - no taxpayer funded treatment necessary., I would argue isn't generated by an LLM, the structure is much more akin to human written shorthand. While I haven't done a deep dive through Tiny Particle's contributions, having a peruse of their comments around articles highlighted as evidence, there doesn't seem to be anything that causes me concern on LLM usage. I would honestly put down any concerns on the logic of the arguments down to poor reasoning and arguments. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 20:44, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by (username) Result concerning Tiny Particle This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. Diff 6 is obviously inappropriate; YFNS's edit to the AfD was in no way WP:CANVASSing, but that post on the arb case might be. -- asilvering (talk) 11:27, 18 August 2025 (UTC)Reply @Tiny Particle, a number of editors have raised concerns about your use of LLMs, here and elsewhere. Would you comment on that, please? -- asilvering (talk) 14:14, 21 August 2025 (UTC)Reply @Tiny Particle, if you want to ping someone, you need to sign your post. As for the rest, well, the text copied into various articles from Dutch Protocol was also clearly an attempt to get around the ongoing AfD, transparently stated as such in the edit summaries. And if we're not looking at LLM hallucinations, we're looking at either pov-pushing or WP:OR indistinguishable from pov-pushing, the most striking example of which came in after this case was filed: [35]. Accordingly, unless another admin jumps in to object in the next 24 hours or so, I will tban from "transgender healthcare, broadly construed". Narrower than GENSEX, but appears to be sufficient in this case. -- asilvering (talk) 08:04, 23 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Thanks @Licks-rocks, I sure did (at least twice). Closing now. -- asilvering (talk) 13:13, 29 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Request: Add List of The New York Times controversies to Arab-Israeli conflict sanction

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Moved from WT:AC/N § Request: Add article to Arab-Israeli conflict sanction Apologies if this is not the right venue for the request, but I would like to request that List of The New York Times controversies be added to the Arab–Israeli conflict sanctioned articles, as there has been a clear revert war on content related to this topic -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 02:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)Reply You may request arbitration enforcement at WP:AE. Izno (talk) 02:30, 16 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Discussion concerning List of The New York Times controversies Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by (username) Result concerning List of The New York Times controversies Sameboat, a page is only added to the arbitration enforcement log when a contentious topic page restriction is applied to that page. There are no active page restrictions on the article List of The New York Times controversies, so the article does not need to be logged at this time. The arbitration remedies within the Arab–Israeli conflict contentious topic (including the extended confirmed restriction and one-revert rule) already apply to edits related to the area of conflict that are made to any article, including List of The New York Times controversies, without needing the article to be logged. Because only a small part of List of The New York Times controversies (most prominently, the Coverage of Israel and Palestine section) is within the topic area, the article is not automatically extended confirmed protected by default. If you would like to request for a particular page restriction to be applied to the article, this page (the arbitration enforcement noticeboard) is the correct venue to do so. However, if you would like to request page protection as an arbitration enforcement action, I recommend posting the request on the page protection noticeboard instead, where you are likely to receive a faster response. The recent editing history of the article does not appear to be particularly disruptive, and there have been no recent violations of the extended confirmed restriction on the article page, so I would not apply page protection at this time. — Newslinger talk 17:42, 26 August 2025 (UTC) Edited to fix link. — Newslinger talk 21:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Icecold

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Icecold has been just sort of, crashing out at people for the last month over what appears to be the Graham Linehan page, and making no other edits beyond that.

Jul 16 2025 [36] Accuses other editors of being activist editors

Jul 16 2025 [37] ditto

Jul 16 2025 [38] Accuses editors of gaslighting because a consensus didn’t go his way

Jul 1 2025 [39] Accuses editors of prioritizing their own feelings over “facts” because consensus didn’t go his way.

22 May 2025 [40] Aspersions against pretty much every editor that disagreed with him in consensus, among other things accusing other editors of “stalking”

22 May 2025 [41] Personal attacks

22 May 2025 [42] ABF, personal attacks

22 May 2025 [43] Personal attacks

22 May 2025 [44] Aspersions

22 May 2025 [45] Admits to using LLM for his text while attacking other editors

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Statement by Icecold

Over-length statement as of 26 August
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This is my final statement on this matter, I will not be engaging with this process futher, I've spent far too much time on this arbitration already. I do request an additional 200 words (from my current 800 [48]) because this arbitation has been unarchived and reopened and I need to express my complete opposition to this. This case was previously archived without formal action. It was unarchived and reopened by an involved party, apparently due to dissatisfaction with the outcome. Reopening closed cases without new evidence or process error is against best practice (see WP:FORUMSHOP, WP:GAME) and undermines procedural fairness. My understanding is that such actions should be taken only by uninvolved administrators for legitimate reasons. @GraziePrego is not an uninvolved party in this arbitration. @Tamzin suggested a recent comment I made on another user's page was disruptive. The comment was made after this case was archived, and my intent was only to caution another editor to avoid the same difficulties I faced, not to canvass or disrupt. I now recognize such remarks could be misinterpreted and I will avoid them in the future. I think the worst criticism of me is that I'm NOTHERE. I think this is completely wrong. This account is 19 years old, this isn't a new fly by account here to edit on one topic. I've made small edits on varying different topics, from cleaning up vandalism [49] to adding new news [50] to challenging incorrect facts [51]. I've since made another unrelated edit after this arbitration was originally archived [52] So to accuse me of NOTHERE because of edits on talk pages about a contentious article is, in my opinion, disingenuous and casting aspersions on me for my reason for being here. People are also trying to criticise how half of my total edits are on the Graham Linehan talk page, I also think is disingenuous. I had proposed a change request and I obviously had to respond to people who were discussing that request. I've never been involved in a contentious discussion before, so it's clearly going to skew my stats. Pointing to this as evidence I'm only here for one thing, is trying to twist the narrative to get a result they want. People are trying to link me with a now banned editor, to try and make me look guilty by association. I reached out to this editor because we were arguing for the same changes to the article, and I reached out for advice and to help build a consensus as they appeared to be more knowledgeable about Wikipedia process. No, I hadn't studied their edits and realised they were relatively new editor when I spoke to them. Other involved editors also posted on the banned users talk page and no-one is criticising them for doing so. The other accusation I stand by, I do believe, fundamentally in all aspects of life that any accused person deserves a right of reply, even people who have committed the very worse of real life crimes, so the failure of Wikipedia to allow a user to have one is imo a failure of Wikipedia process. I never defended the user from the ban, just their right of reply. As for editors speculating on what I might do as an attempt to push for a full Wikipedia ban, you cannot punish people for what they might do. The only controversial article I've edited is Graham Linehan and its talk page. Despite what other people have said I will probably do, in the 2 months since my request was rejected, I haven't edited any other page, I haven't edited other GENSEX articles, or any other “culture war” topics. Then my stalking allegations. I stand by them, it was clear to me that GP was constantly appearing across 3 talk pages to respond to me when they hadn't been tagged [53] [54] [55]. Once or twice could be a fluke, sure, but more, implies they were following me around. Since this arbitration even, GP has also made a number of edits on my talk page, despite me asking them to leave me alone ([56], [57], [58], [59]. The argument that GP may have other friendly editors on their watchlists falls apart when we consider user Gazumpedheit, whom GP clearly disliked. Editors are defending GP and saying it's not stalking, but if I had engaged in similar behaviour to GP, that these editors would be accusing me of stalking. I was accused of all sorts, such as bludgeoning, when all I was doing was responding to people's arguments against my request, which I feel as someone proposing a request I had a duty to do. I also stand by my comment that at least one editor was editing based on personal feelings and not following the evidence [60] [61]. If I had said something similar, it would have been brought up against me at this arbitration. That editor earlier got banned for admitting they were editing based on a personal feeling not based on the evidence. Reminding people of that editor's comment isn't a personal attack. I apologise for accusing others of arguing in bad faith, my biggest frustration was that I was asked to find various reputable sources to support my claim, I did so (finding more reputable sources for my claim than reputable sources on the article supporting the status quo), and then this was still denied. My proposed change also brought that article more in line with other equivalent articles that use my wording, so I was following precedent, but that was still denied. That says to me that the article wasn't being evidence-led, but guided by people's opinions, against wikipedia policy. I am now p-banned as a direct result of this arbitration being unarchived and reopened, after originally being closed with no action. Since a sanction has now been imposed in response to the reopened process, despite my record of voluntary disengagement and the fact that no action was taken when this case was originally closed. Given this I believe that further action would be unnecessary and disproportionate. I request that this arbitration now be closed (again), and not revived for a third time. Off-topic, but replying to people on an arbitration from mobile is absolutely appalling and practially impossible.

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Firstly I'm quite suprised to have had this notification. I'm going to answer each accusation each in turn. > Jul 16 2025 [47] Accuses other editors of being activist editors > Jul 1 2025 [49] Accuses editors of prioritizing their own feelings over “facts” because consensus didn’t go his way. I'm going to answer these both together. I've had editors openly admit that they are editing based on their own feelings: "Yes, I'm biased against bigots. You'll find that's normal." https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Graham_Linehan&diff=prev&oldid=1290708077 "Yes, I am absolutely taking a moral view, because I don't like bigotry. There is nothing "blinding" me, but I'm not going to bend to the whims of transphobes." https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Graham_Linehan&diff=prev&oldid=1290695156 So the accusation that I've made is justified when I've had people actively tell me this. I also think that the very existance of this arbitaration to try and shut me down because I'm disagreeing with the editors that hang around that page kinda confirms my point. > Jul 16 2025 [48] Accuses editors of gaslighting because a consensus didn’t go his way No, i'm accusing someone of gaslighting by saying to a editor that they just need to find reputable sources and they can then get the page changed, because thats what I was told to do, I found these reputable sources (which outnumbered the existing reputable sources that countered it), and then was told my reputable sources didn't matter because editors that follow their own moral compass have already decided what to do. > 22 May 2025 [50] Aspersions against pretty m>uch every editor that disagreed with him in consensus, among other things accusing other editors of “stalking” > 22 May 2025 [54] Aspersions GraziePrego appeared to be stalking me. The full history of what happened is on my talk page, but as a quick summary. If I went to an editors (not GraziePregos) user page to ask a question of the editor, without being tagged GraziePrego would turn up and start getting involved in the discussion. This happened across 2 or 3 different editors talk pages. It felt like my contribution log was being monitored by GraziePrego and then they were jumping in and getting involved in everywhere I posted. I also was good enough to drop the matter and not persue it at arbitration, something that has clearly ironically been used against me now. > 22 May 2025 [51] Personal attacks I had just been accused of taking wikipedia too seriously with an accusation that I was "making a frightful exhibition of yourself." I just pointed out that it seems a bit rich to accuse me of taking wikipedia so seriously when they are a such a prolific editor, and dare say take wikipedia much more seriously than I do. But if that counts as a personal attack, I apologise. > 22 May 2025 [52] ABF, personal attacks Thats the same example as the previous one, so I'm not sure what your point is there > 22 May 2025 [53] Personal attacks Not a personal attack, I was disagreeing with their editing, made no personal references at all. > 22 May 2025 [55] Admits to using LLM for his text while attacking other editors Using an LLM isn't against the rules, and I haven't done it since people complained. The reference to attacking other editors is a direct reference to ref 49 which I've tackled there. So to summerise, I've been told that me saying that certain editors are making moral opinions and not looking at the facts, when at least one editor has ADMITTED that to me, is apparrently wrong. I've also been told that accusing someone of stalking me, when they appear to be stalking me, constantly appearing on other editors talk pages when I have posted on them, joining in the discussion, is apparrently wrong, which just seems like you're going after the victim rather than judging if the accused actually did have questionable behaviour (which I think they did). I haven't contributed to any GENSEX article since the last attempt in May, only 3 comments since May on a talk page. I hardly think thats disruptive behaviour. I have consistently been evidence led in my contributions to attempting to change an article. Like all editors I have a private view, but I am letting the sources guide the language and any attempt to change it. I personally think any kind of topic ban is a heavy handed approach, and I think sends out the wrong message. Moved from other sections @Seraphimblade:To summerise my response to your points as briefly as I can to keep within the word limit I have no problem disageeing with people, but I've had at least one heavily involved editor actually say > "Yes, I am absolutely taking a moral view, because I don't like bigotry. There is nothing "blinding" me, but I'm not going to bend to the whims of transphobes." then I think my stance that people who have a particular view of it and are not open to evidence changing their mind, is correct. I don't think reminding people of this comment is a personal attack. I also think the context of my comments is important, for example some comments that have been interpreted as personal attacks were in response to comments that could be interpreted as personal attacks against me. It also depends on your definition of a personal attack, posting a laughing emoji at a statement someone made about a page which I think is laughable, I don't think is a personal attack, I'm laughing at the sentiment expressed. I also am not happy that because I didn't persue formal action against a user I felt was hounding me, that is somehow a black mark against me - I was trying to stop the situation escalating and avoiding wikipedia drama. The user, to their credit, did stop following me after my comment and so I never persued it. I admit that some of my comments may not have been worded in the best way, and some may have been percieved as more agressive than they needed to be. However I stand by the core sentiment of my comments. I don't feel like people have been acting in accordance to wikipedia rules and sentiment. For discussion of being banned from things - I think it's a rather futile discussion because I've basically given up from editing any contentious articles on wikipedia because I feel like it's unfortunately being shaped by the views of editors and not being a well sourced neutral encylopedia. Unlike GraziePrego implies, I don't think it's a conspiracy, just that editors who are heavily on one side of the argument are totally dominanting GENSEX articles. My total contribution to Wikipedia since my change request was rejected is 5 edits to the Graham Linehan talk page, contributing to existing discussions and not starting new ones, so I don't think a ban is needed. Icecold (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2025 (UTC)Reply just to add in response @GraziePrego >I believe they will start participating in discussions on other GENSEX related pages making the same comments about how the consensus there is all artificially created by biased editors. I don't think what one editor believes I *might* do is a good enough reason to ban someone. As I've stated, I believe it's a waste of my time and my time could be used more constructively elsewhere than fighting losing battles. Icecold (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2025 (UTC)Reply @EvergreenFir:You've admitted I've had 261 edits over 19 years and have contributed to a varied range of articles and then you state I'm not here to build an encyclopedia.. I only tend to get involved if I see something that is wrong, I have a full time job and family and haven't got the time or desire to edit Wikipedia all the time... Icecold (talk) 23:34, 17 July 2025 (UTC)Reply @Springee:Hey, thanks for the constructive comment I do have a question about passing aspersions though, in my case the editor in question literally admitted to using their own moral compass to guide their decisions, and I don't think pointing to that comment is passing aspersions as that's what they literally said. As for other editors, I concede that some of my comments may have been a tad aggressive, but I did feel attacked. I have tried to reach out on user pages, and I feel like I was genuinely trying to improve the article, having picked the most neutral wording I could. I even (as others like to point out) ran it through an LLM in order to make sure it was as palatable to others as I could make it. I spent quite a bit of time researching sources, and went in with good intentions. I have largely stayed away, just making 4 or 5 small comments on the talk page, but not reopening the debate or anything, my comments were mainly to people who would come in with similar suggestions to mine, because I feel like that side of the debate is under represented on Wikipedia. As for your suggestions, I probably wouldn't propose a ban based on number of edits, only because it's taken me 19 years to reach over 200, so by that time frame it'll take me almost a hundred years to make those edits! Also, to be honest, this whole episode hasn't been a very welcoming or a positive experience, so I'm not in a rush to contribute more, but I'm happy to agree to a time exclusion ban. Also, sorry just a final question, I don't know how these things work, when you say don't reply in the admin section, just reply in yours, but I'm word limited and I've already gone over the word limit, so I don't understand how I can reply to people there? It will also be out of context won't it? Sorry I'm just not understanding :) I'm happy to move my comments if need be? Icecold (talk) 00:36, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply @GraziePrego you were making personal attacks against me too. You've likened me to a spent firework coming back to earth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GraziePrego&diff=prev&oldid=1291620900, said I'm making an exhibition of myself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GraziePrego&diff=prev&oldid=1291619966, and you were jumping in on every discussion I had on people's user pages.. Was a bit odd. Icecold (talk) 01:44, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply @Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ I really take issue with your statement - you're attempting to link me to a banned user to imply that I am on wikipedia for the same reasons as that banned user is. I have been on wikipedia for 19 years, and over those 19 years I have made edits on various articles - yes I've not made thousands of edits, but small edits here and there. I reached out to that user (before they were banned) to possibly collaborate because they had been supportive of my request to change, and I thought together we might have been able to create a better request. I then expressed suprise that that user was banned within half an hour of being informed that there was an investigation into them with no right to reply. I stand by those comments - I think that anyone, on either side of any debate has a right to reply, I would defend anyone's right to reply even if I vehemently disagree with them. Icecold (talk) 02:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply @GraziePrego I apologise if I crossed the line - but I stand by my comment that you were stalking me. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HandThatFeeds&diff=prev&oldid=1290348015 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HandThatFeeds&diff=prev&oldid=1290535049 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gazumpedheit&diff=prev&oldid=1290795322 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gazumpedheit&diff=prev&oldid=1290795569 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TarnishedPath&diff=prev&oldid=1291554802 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TarnishedPath&diff=prev&oldid=1291618219 Are all examples of you replying to me on other users talk pages when you weren't tagged or mentioned. So unless you regularly visit all those editors talk pages, you were clearly following my edits on wikipedia. As for your other points, we'll have to agree to disagree because I'm way over my word count I think. Icecold (talk) 02:15, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply @Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ I'm not sure what bigoted statement you're referring to, but just because I reach out to a user that doesn't mean I endorse all their viewpoints? I also didn't realise they hadn't been around for long. I was reaching out because I thought wikipedia encouraged people to reach out to gain consensus? I also fundamentally agree with everyones right to reply. I don't agree with aryan supremecy, but someone accused of advocating it in my opinion has a right to defend themselves. IMO Wikipedia is in the wrong here. @User:TarnishedPath I don't think that discussion shows that at all - I just wanted to make the page more accurate. I have been a member of wikipedia for 19 years, and since this Graham Linehan debate I haven't gone on to edit any other pages and I've only made 5 contributions to the talk page since. So to state I'm going to go on a culture war quest is clearly an incorrect assumption. And Maybe GraziePrego is on your page a lot, but yours wasn't the only page they commented directly to me on. It felt very much like I was being stalked.

@Icecold: Do not make any further comments or edits in this thread (including in other users' sections or the admin section) without explicit permission from an administrator, or they will be reverted and you may be blocked. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 03:00, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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I think everything has been well covered, thank you Snokalok for starting this thread- I was strongly considering starting one myself about Icecold's behaviour. I would only add

• this, where Icecold casts aspersions and personally attacks User:HandThatFeeds, describing them with " it's clear that handthatfee... is a biased editor who has made up their mind to shut down all debate. I've tried to hash it out with them on their talk page, but it's clear that no amount of reliable sources I could provide will change their mind as they're pushing their own viewpoint on Wikipedia, which I think is pretty shameful". This is on top of repeatedly casting aspersions about HandThatFeeds in the previous discussion, the diff for that is already linked I think.

My personal feeling is that Icecold isn't going to move on from their previous discussion on Talk:Graham Linehan not going their way, and they are now going to reply in every single discussion that begins on that talk page to complain about a conspiracy of activists silencing their viewpoint. In my opinion, this is disruptive.

(Editing to add a little to my comment) I would be in favour of a GENSEX topic ban for Icecold, as their desire to work against "activist editors" is not just limited to Linehan's page, they believe it's a conspiracy that extends to other GENSEX related articles. I believe they will start participating in discussions on other GENSEX related pages making the same comments about how the consensus there is all artificially created by biased editors. GraziePrego (talk) 01:23, 17 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

Adding to my comments based on what Icecold has said so far. I think the fact that they can look at this diff where they called my editing "moronic in the extreme", and said "You argue in bad faith", and Icecold looks at that diff and denies that they were making personal attacks and just commenting on editing? Seriously? I'm not seeing much understanding from Icecold that they was being highly personal with their comments. GraziePrego (talk) 01:31, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

Icecold, which is a personal attack out of "your editing is moronic in the extreme" and pointing out that you were making an exhibition of yourself by:

• bludgeoning one discussion,
• going to remonstrate with those who disagreed with you on their talk page,
• restarting the discussion immediately when it didn't go your way,
• then going and remonstrating with the closer when that also didn't go your way,
• and then making a second post on their talk page attacking them when they closed your first attack on them,
• and then coming to my talk page to accuse me of stalking you?

To me, that is making an exhibition of yourself- and that entirely describes your *editing*, and is not an attack on you personally. I never accused you of behaving in bad faith- you made no secret of accusing everyone who disagreed with you of acting in bad faith, including me. GraziePrego (talk) 02:00, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

I am unarchiving this thread as it rolled into the archives without any decision being taken- it seemed like there was mood for action to be taken. GraziePrego (talk) 10:56, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Pinging @Snokalok as this is originally your thread :) GraziePrego (talk) 10:57, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

@EvergreenFir@Guerillero@Seraphimblade@Valereee@TarnishedPath@Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist@Springee pinging previously involved in the discussion GraziePrego (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

The allegation by @Icecold of forumshopping and gaming is clearly spurious. This thread was archived with *no outcome* by an automatic bot, not closed with a decision taken. The allegations only have weight if this discussion had concluded with no action being taken, and I had freaked out and just created a new thread. That's very different to what has actually happened. GraziePrego (talk) 01:38, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Springee

Icecold, while your account isn't new, I would suggest based on your limited recent edits you should be granted a bit of wp:ROPE that is frequently given to new users. The path you're on is clearly not working and at best it will result in a tban and possibly an outright block. I think at least an outright block could be avoided if you understand and agree to the following.

• Do not comment on users (unless the statement is clearly positive). Many online forums draw the line at actually insulting people (exp: Editor Patel is stupid). Wikipedia's CIVIL policy is stricter than that. Suggesting someone's motives are other than trying to improve the content of the encyclopedia is casting aspersions. This means you should not suggest someone is "clearly a conservative/liberal/right/left/up/down/etc". It is of course acceptable to argue an edit might make a reader think the article is biased or that a source is biased and that negatively impacts it's WEIGHT etc. But just don't comment on the other editors as a person. If in doubt I'm sure the admins below, if contacted on their talk page, would help you understand where the limits are if you aren't sure about a comment.
• Stick to the facts, not emotions. Yeah, sometimes it's naturel to think, "what the Belgium[62] is that person thinking". However, sometimes it's just our own failure to understand their perspective that is the issue. Trying to reach out civilly on user talk pages may not always work but I've been pleased how often it does.
• Agree to stay away from the Graham Linehan page for a while. I would suggest 6 months or/and until you have say at least 1000 edits. The idea is to work on other parts of Wikipedia to show that you understand how to work with others. If you declare a self imposed tban, and stick with it, that will show that you are trying to avoid issues.

I think it you agree to the above and stick to it you should be able to avoid a formal tban and certainly an outright block. People around here can be quite forgiving if they see that an editor has understood and fixed a problem. Also, one more thing, don't reply in the admin space, just reply in your own section. Springee (talk) 00:17, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

Icecold, unless the admins say you need to reply to the other editors, you don't. Also, it seems that the admins are open to the idea of you stepping away from the Linehan page. It's not clear they would accept a voluntary tban but if you feel you can stick to it I would offer it. Do make sure you understand what broadly construed means - don't edit content about Linehan on other pages. Even if you get an article/tban, it seems like they are otherwise giving you the benefit of the doubt and just a warning to not do the same things in the future. Again, no reason to reply to the other accusations unless admins ask. Springee (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by YFNS (Icecold)

Just want to note they were collaborating with and defending a user blocked for NOTHERE behavior and transphobic rants.WP:AE/Archive353/Gazumpedheit

In May 2025, IceCold went to User talk:Gazumpedheit to say (regarding Graham Linehan) , but it's clear that handthatfee... is a biased editor who has made up their mind to shut down all debate. I've tried to hash it out with them on their talk page, but it's clear that no amount of reliable sources I could provide will change their mind as they're pushing their own viewpoint on Wikipedia, which I think is pretty shameful. ... So I was reaching out to see if there's some way we can appeal in a way that doesn't allow them to shut down the discussion unilaterally, either through a RFC or DRN? While I would rather not lose the argument, if I feel like I've lost the argument fairly, by consensus, then I can take it, when it's artificially shut down by activist editors then I cannot take that lying down..

• When the response is Hi @Icecold, welcome to Wikipedia of 2025. I'm afraid I can't have much to offer rather than to ping Void if removed for their advice, as a person who has far greater knowledge of the mechanics of Wiki than I. I would wager that Hand That Feeds owes you an apology to be honest, for their unqualified dismissal of your valid point

• IC responded But yeah, it's very scary. In both the UK (due to the supreme court judgement) and the US (with Trumps exec order) the overton window is shifting to stopping the shutting down of gender critical viewpoints by calling them transphobic, but yet if you come onto wikipedia (or reddit), you're told that any criticism or worries raised is transphobic and bigoted. I've had gender critical accused of being the same as racism which is pure hyperbole. Wikipedia isn't representing society, and is clearly, on several contenious issues, just representing the opinions of a Wikipedia editors, like like how Reddit moderators enforce their opinions on their subreddits.

• Gazumhedit once again pinged in VIR
• IC responded I've just seen they've banned you without seemingly a chance for you to respond and then gloating about it on your talk page. Classy.

• Followed by arguing Gazumphedit's NOTHERE block was unfair since they couldn't defend themselves [63]

Pretty plainly WP:NOTHERE and seeking to WP:RGW IMHO. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 01:38, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Icecold, you reached out to request help from a user who, it had been noted in the thread they replied to you in, made bigoted comments[64]

An editor who'd made less than 20 edits (not a good idea to ask advice based on that alone) and who you reached out to as the only person who agreed with you. You insulted other editors on their talk page.

And WP supports no right to reply. If somebody came on insisting that the truth of Aryan supremacy would win over the next few years, they'd be blocked. Not given a chance to explain why they said it (because the answer is bigotry). Bigotry is a no-go here. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 02:21, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

IC accusing GP of stalking over Gazumpedheit's page is particularly nonsensical. GP edited the page before IC did[65] so was presumably watching it, and gave IC a very neutral clear answer to their question about how blocks work.[66][67] Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 02:56, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by TarnishedPath

The discussion which YFNS referred to at User_talk:Gazumpedheit#Linehan page, indicates that IC is WP:NOTHERE. It appears that they are here to engage in culture war WP:BATTLE. I don't see that a ban from Graham Linehan or from GENSEX more broadly is going to cease the disruption as there is plenty more in Wikipedia that editors can engage in culture war battle over. TarnishedPath^talk 02:17, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Icecold, I can tell you for a fact that it is not uncommon for GP to visit my talk page. We have overlapping interests and I would make a bet that they have my talk on their watchlist as I do with them. TarnishedPath^talk 02:24, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

@GraziePrego and @Icecold, please move your comments to your own sections. TarnishedPath^talk 11:27, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by GoodDay

If Graham Linehan is the 'only' article, that Icecold has been discussing, in relation to this report? Than as a preventative measure, I'd recommend a 1-month pageblock. This will give an editor enough time to cool off & reflect. GoodDay (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Rankersbo

I am new to arbitration so not aware of what actions can be taken. The main issue with Icecold is that they use a passive-aggressive smokescreen of objectivity to try and reframe the debate around their own biases, claiming that neutrality lies around their own position, when it lies far from it. Their constant claims that other editors are "activist" constitute aspersions of bad faith, and use of performative victimhood such as accusations of stalking and cries of "leave me alone" in response to reasonable interactions are a continuation of this behaviour. The comments warning another user of a ban are inferring that the system is at fault rather than the behaviour.

The root does appear to be the Linehan page, but has spilled out onto user talk pages. Comments made in this arbitration and elsewhere on personal talk pages do not show someone who has accepted fault with their attitudes and behaviour with contrition, or who intends to take on board criticism in order to learn and grow.

I note a page block has been made, but am unclear as to whether this is sufficient, and given the nature of the behaviour, if anything beyond that can be done. Rankersbo (talk) 08:28, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by (Halbared)

The Graham Linehan page is blocked and taken care of, GoodDay's suggestion of a 1 month pageblock to allow matters to cool may be a suitable step forward, and perhaps also a two-way interaction ban between grazieprego and Icecold.Halbared (talk) 08:35, 27 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Result concerning Icecold

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• So, as appearing in order:

  Diff 1 ([68]), comment on content, not editors. You're certainly free to disagree with other editors, but trying to assign bad motives to them is unacceptable. In many cases, reasonable people can disagree.

  Diff 2 ([69]), same as diff 1.

  Diff 3 ([70]), same as diff 1, and the "laughing" face at the end even more so. While again you are free to disagree with other editors, ridiculing them is totally out of line.

  Diff 4 ([71]), same as diff 1.

  Diff 5 ([72]), expressing frustration in one's own userspace, and users are allowed pretty wide latitude in their own userspace. Not as concerned about this one.

  Diff 6 ([73]), criticizing someone else for contributing a lot is completely inappropriate.

  Diff 7 ([74]), casting aspersions. If Icecold genuinely felt like someone was inappropriately stalking them, they should have brought that up in the appropriate venue, with actual evidence, to request action on that. However, it is not uncommon for editors interested in the same topic area to run into one another at more than one article. While one can tell other editors not to post on their user talk page, one cannot demand that another editor [l]eave me alone in general; that would effectively amount to a unilateral interaction ban.

  Diff 8 ([75]), the nastiness and sarcasm is unacceptable and unnecessary.

  Diff 9 ([76]), talk page discussions are open to participation by any interested editor; again, Icecold may not unilaterally decide that another editor should not participate. And, again, editors interested in the same area may have one another's talk page on their watchlist; that is neither uncommon nor inappropriate.

  Diff 10 ([77]), while the use of LLMs is not strictly forbidden, disruptive behavior is, and in practice, LLM usage often leads to disruption. Icecold has committed to no longer doing this, so as long as they uphold that, this is again not as much of a current concern.

• All that said, I think Icecold needs, at minimum, to be removed from the subject of Graham Linehan, as they clearly don't have the appropriate temperament to edit on that topic. I'll give Icecold an additional 300 words to explain why that shouldn't just be a GENSEX topic ban overall; as they're relatively new, I'd prefer a narrower restriction if possible, but not if that just means the disruption will get moved elsewhere. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:06, 17 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

• They are not relatively new. The account is 19 years old. The problem is that of their 261 edits, 100 are from 2025 and 70% of those are on Talk:Graham Linehan. This user is being disruptive and at minimum a partial block from Graham Linehan is needed. I would argue, however, that this is beyond AE and just a case of NOTHERE. I see no evidence that the user is here to improve the encyclopedia. I only see WP:BATTLEGROUND. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:25, 17 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

  I'm applying "relatively new" in terms of experience at editing, not account age. There's a lot of fighting going on, certainly, but there seems to be at least some concern for article quality and reliability in with that, so I'm reluctant to give up any hope. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:38, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

  Icecold, you are far over the word limit. Further responses from you will be removed unless you request and receive an extension (which at this point is unlikely), and there is no need for you to reply to everyone who comments here. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:38, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

• I'd support a p-block from Linehan, certainly. If the problem recurs in other GENSEX topics, a tban. Icecold, you say I'm not allowed to respond to every allegation about me, due to the word limit. That is incorrect. You have plenty of space if you write short. Spit it out on the page, then edit it down to what's necessary. I could edit out a third of your statement easily. Learning to write short is extremely valuable here. Valereee (talk) 19:15, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

  (I'd say learning to write concisely is a valuable skill in general, and on Wikipedia in general, not just for AE. Whether or not I'm always good at it is a separate question.) I was thinking as a topic ban from Graham Linehan enforced by p-block but also applying across the project, since a fair bit of the disruptive behavior was on user talk pages and the like related to that subject. I think Icecold needs to step away from that subject entirely until they've gained more editing experience elsewhere. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:09, 18 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

  @Icecold, a topic ban from Lineham means you cannot discuss him -- or anything closely related to him, such as his works -- anywhere on Wikipedia, including in talk pages. The only place you can even mention him is within an appeal of the topic ban. The reasoning behind a topic ban for a very inexperienced user is to prevent you from being disruptive while still giving you the opportunity to learn how to contribute productively by allowing you to edit in other topics.

  I (and most other experienced editors) would advise editing in noncontentious topics while you learn. Arguing about the appropriate use of "gender critical" vs. "anti-transgender" in a BLP is a minefield even for highly experienced editors. And accusing someone of stalking you because they appeared at the talk pages of other editors you both have interacted with is evidence of your lack of experience. That is completely normal. I do it literally every day, and it happens to me regularly. Valereee (talk) 10:03, 19 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

• I think a full topic ban from GENSEX would be preferable --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 07:34, 22 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
• Icecold claims "I have voluntarily stayed away from editing controversial pages". Yet only minutes before this thread was unarchived (which is procedurally permissible, to be clear), Icecold posted in support of another user who made the same types of POV-pushing comments regarding Linehan. Above I see a clear consensus for some kind of sanction, with admins on the fence between a narrow or broad TBAN. Given that we now have evidence Icecold saw the need to return to this disruptive editing a month after getting off on a technicality, I'm satisfied that they are not currently able to be a constructive presence in this topic area, and think a GENSEX TBAN is the minimum viable solution. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 14:33, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
• I've pblocked from Linehan and its talk as an individual admin action. No objection to anyone else deciding the make an AE tban from GENSEX, I just didn't see that yet, but felt the pblock was clearly indicated. Valereee (talk) 16:56, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
• @GraziePrego: You are also over your word limit. Do not add anything further (or remove anything to get more words for replies) without permission from an administrator. (And in the future, please ask an administrator to reopen an archived arbitration enforcement thread, even if it was never closed.) ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 03:09, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Lt.gen.zephyr

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1. 23 August - Created problematic Battle of Rajasthan (1965) by copy pasting an article created on Simple Wiki by an LTA (banned on English Wiki) just 2 days earlier. [78][79]
2. 24 August - Wrongly claims that "Mentioned pages doesn't cite the casualties number", when the source supports it.[80]
3. 24 August - Unnecessarily asking another editor to "Show where it is mentioned" despite getting exact URL to the page number.
4. 24 August - Restores his misrepresentation of sources and accuses me of not reading the source.
5. 24 August - Doubles down with his misrepresentation of sources by citing page numbers that don't support his claims.
6. 24 August - Continues to double down with his claims
7. 25 August - Still misrepresenting the source. He is still wrongly claiming that "victory claim is mentioned" on this page, when it is not.

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[81]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Lt.gen.zephyr is not addressing the concerns about his edits here and he is not admitting any of his faults. He cites "victories in the deserts of Sindh" (see Thar Desert of Sindh) to be descriptive of "Battle of Rajasthan" when Sindh and Rajasthan are both separate from each other. He is still doubling down with his misrepresentation of sources. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 02:49, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

First of all, it is clearly stated in the opening paragraph of the article that The Battle of Rajasthan refers to several clashes and skirmishes fought between Pakistan and India in India's Rajasthan state and Pakistan's Sindh state during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965.

If one examines the reference book, under the title Sulemanki and Munabao (A town in Rajasthan) (page number 124-125 in slider), it notes that Pakistan's 51 brigade repulsed the Indian attack on Sindh and subsequently captured Indian town Munabao alongwith the railway station. Just a few lines later it says Their victories in the Sindh were welcomed. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 07:15, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Statement by Lt.gen.zephyr

• About Indo-Pakistan war of 1965

1. 2- Source number 9 (Warfare and Armed Conflicts: A Statistical Encyclopedia of Casualty and Other Figures, 1492–2015, 4th ed) says Indian killed in action was 3,712 and Pakistani killed in action was 1,500. That's why I had used an range to determine the losses. Later when I was given additional reference, I didn't revert it and let it stay there. Sadly I couldn't access the other source, source number 11 (The Roots and Consequences of 20th-Century Warfare: Conflicts That Shaped the Modern World).
2. 3- Unfortunately the user who had shared me a link didn't take me to the page number. I could only see the book's name, topic and the information about the writer. Later I was provided additional sources by another user, I proposed to add both of the casualties figure. The meesage where I was provided with additional sources to cross verify - [83].

I didn't make a change later as it was proven to me that the numbers for India and Pakistani losses were 3,00 and 3,800 respectively. The sole reason for me to change was the source in the infobox which was accessible said 3,712 and 1,500 whereas the inaccessible source said the other thing. The 9th source is accessible and is mentioned here -> [84]. Another major thing is source 10, (Encyclopedia of Wars) which is used as neutral claim also says APPROXIMATE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEN UNDER ARMS: India, 900,000; Pakistan, 233,000 CASUALTIES: India, 3,712 killed, 7,638 wounded; Pakistan, 1,500 killed, 4,300 wounded TREATIES: Conference at Tashkent, 1966. Since there are two different numbers, I used a range to clearify it. Another speech I'd like to share regarding source 11 (The Roots and Consequences of 20th-Century Warfare: Conflicts That Shaped the Modern World) is the page cited 267 talks about Byzantine–Ottoman Turk War (1453–1461),(1422) and (1359–1399), not about the 1965 war. So the claim of the 3,000 and 3,800 goes null and void.

• Edit 1 : Attaching Encyclopedia of Wars's link here for users to verify my statement - [85]
• Edit 2 : Replaced Encyclopedia of Wars's link as that version was partially available. The page number is 602.

Battle of Rajasthan (1965),

I already mentioned the territorial change's source in the talk page when the user asked. [86]. Anyone may crosscheck by seeing page 256 - (Origins of Political Extremism: Mass Violence in the Twentieth Century and Beyond)

About Pakistan victory, it is mentioned in (A History of the Pakistan Army: Wars and Insurrections, 5th Edition) in page 108 (as per slide 125) saying Their victories in the deserts of Sindh were welcomed, which I told earlier in the talk. [87]

I never claimed Bharat Rakhshak to be official publication, I stated they publish official Indian documents in public ___domain. I have changed each and every sources written by Pakistani officers who took part in the war, only one or two are there and that only exists in the article for the information of the commanders in the battle. I hope you'd check the sources before commenting. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 14:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by MBlaze Lightning

I share the same observation that Lt.gen.zephyr's conduct in these contentious war articles of late has been troublesome. While this very report remained open at this board, they edit warred on Battle of Hussainiwala, making three reverts in a matter of hours,[88][89][90], to anyhow retain an unreliable source Bharat Rakshak, falsely claiming them to be Indian military official publication and thus an WP:RS, while the website stated in its very self-description that it was run by everyday "military enthusiasts".[91]. They have also posted long blocks of texts on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Hussainiwala, and continue to clutter the discussion and bludgeon others with same arguments, all the while refusing to get that blogs written by military officials who fought the battle did not constitute WP:SIGCOV according to our policies. Given their present conduct despite this open report, I don't think they plan to comply with the Wikipedia guidelines in this highly contentious topic going forward either. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 14:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Alaexis

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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Alaexis User who is submitting this request for enforcement IOHANNVSVERVS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply User against whom enforcement is requested Alaexis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles#ARBPIA General Sanctions Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 11 Aug 2025 POV pushing and BLP violation at the article Anas al-Sharif, a Palestinian journalist recently killed by the Israeli military. Alaexis changed a sentence from "Since October 2023, Al-Sharif became one of the most visible faces reporting on the war in Gaza, refusing to evacuate the north despite repeated Israeli orders and direct threats to his life." to "Al-Sharif celebrated the October 7 attacks and became one of the most visible faces reporting on the war in Gaza, [...etc]". The only source they added for this claim is an unverified primary source, supposedly an "archived link to a post he made on Telegram".[92] Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any No previous sanctions that I'm aware of. If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics) Long time editor in the topic area. Additional comments by editor filing complaint This is a long time editor in the topic area who is fully aware of our policies regarding NPOV and BLP. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 18:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply @SilverLocust, I wasn't aware of WP:BLPSPS. The editor who reverted Alaexis' edit cited WP:BLPPRIMARY. Having now read BLPSPS I'm not sure I understand how these two policies don't contradict each other. Also I didn't rush here seeking sanctions, I first emailed an admin about my concerns and asked how to proceed and was told "I would agree it violates NPOV (specifically DUE) and BLP, as well as OR since it goes beyond straightforward paraphrase. I would suggest bringing the matter to AE." IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:25, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply @Swatjester, don't you think there's a big difference between Alaexis' edit stating as a fact that "Al-Sharif celebrated the October 7 attacks", compared to how The Times reported it using phrases such as "an Israeli journalist has claimed" and "allegedly"? Another article in The Times reports it as "Eitan Fischberger, an Israeli journalist and former IDF soldier, also published an archived Telegram post which purported to show Sharif celebrating the Hamas-led attacks on Israel of October 7, 2023, in which 1,200 Israelis died."[93] and +972 Magazine reports it as "The message, which appears completely inconsistent with Al-Sharif’s posting history on or after the events of October 7, was deleted soon after it was published. Many of Al-Sharif’s news updates on that day were copied and re-posted from other groups, chat rooms, or news sites. This means that the statement could have been an accidental post that he deleted as soon as he was made aware of it."[94] IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 23:12, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply I agree with Vanamonde that an important element of this is that the claim was "not presented as an isolated statement about his views, but as a negative veneer for his career". What kind of sentence is "Al-Sharif celebrated the October 7 attacks and became one of the most visible faces reporting on the war in Gaza [...]"? This is not how RS describe Al-Sharif. RS speak of him how Wikipedia did/does as ~"[Since October 7th 2023,] Al-Sharif became one of the most visible faces reporting on the war in Gaza". IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 02:55, 29 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alaexis#Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion Discussion concerning Alaexis Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Alaexis Just saw that there is a complaint against me. I understand that the problem was with using primary sources for a BLP topic (WP:BLPPRIMARY). I did exercise caution in using a primary source: I checked that this comes from the same account that was listed in the article about Al Sharif and looked at other content in that channel. We have RS that cite the same channel without any caveats. Another issue noted below was with my wording: I wrote that Al Sharif "celebrated" the attacks whereas he wrote heroes are still roaming the country, killing and capturing... Oh God, how great you are. I'm not sure it counts as an interpretation but if this were the main problem then the right way to fix it would've been to replace it with text that follows the source more closely. I believe that I could've been more careful with sourcing and I'll definitely be more careful with BLP topics from now on. The contentious content was removed from the article some time ago, and I would have been open to discussing these concerns at the talk page to reach consensus on proper sourcing. Alaexis¿question? 19:58, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by LokiTheLiar As a totally uninvolved editor who stumbled across this filing, I'd like to point out that in addition to the problems Tamzin pointed out with step 6, there are also problems with steps 2 and 5: The issue with step 2 is that, just like how Alaexis did not cite an interpretation of that Telegraph post, he also didn't cite a source saying that that is in fact the subject's Telegraph account. Now, reliable sources agree it is, but for a similar reason to why interpreting the post himself is bad, not giving a source that proves this account is the subject's account is a BLP violation, and a separate one to the OR interpretation of the post. It's not like it's impossible to impersonate someone on social media: if you want to cite someone's social media for a controversial statement you do in fact have to have some kind of evidence that it's actually them saying that. The issue with step 5 is IMO much more clear: WP:NONENG says directly that Editors should not rely upon machine translations of non-English sources in contentious articles or biographies of living people, and this is clearly both, so relying on Google Translate is definitely inappropriate. Now, there's actually no reason necessarily to believe that Alaexis did this: Alaexis used the Arabic directly as the source (which is separately problematic for a BLP since it's hard to verify but that's neither here nor there). But I think that AE very clearly should not use machine translation to support any interpretation of that Telegraph post, positive or negative. We don't know if al-Sharif called anyone "heroes". We know Google Translate says he did, but Google Translate is itself not a reliable source and very easily could have mistranslated a word or missed nuances of language like sarcasm. Loki (talk) 07:09, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by Zero0000 Incidentally, the statement is a Quranic allusion and partly a direct quote (Q17:5). If this ends up in the article, then +972's report that it was soon removed and contradicts his other posts should also be there. We don't know the story behind it and shouldn't pretend that we do. A possibility is that he praised it as a battle but removed the post on learning that it was more of a massacre. Zerotalk 03:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by TylerBurden While I'm not familiar with Alaexis's edits in this topic area, they recently made this edit within WP:RUSUKR creating a section about ″energy infrastructure″ on the Russian invasion of Ukraine consisting mostly of content about Ukrainian attacks on Russian infrastructure or Ukrainians being arrested for sabotage. I think this was a pretty plain violation of WP:NPOV, albeit in a different CTOP, given the fixation on Ukraine being the main culprit of attacks on energy infrastructure despite Russia being widely covered in WP:RS targeting Ukrainian infrastructure, particularly during winter times, their edit mostly focused on attacks damaging Russian energy incomes. TylerBurden (talk) 20:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by (username) Result concerning Alaexis This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. @IOHANNVSVERVS: Which of the following steps, if any, do you disagree with/object to (enough to merit sanctions)? WP:BLPSPS allows use of social network posts by the subject as sources of material about himself. Seemingly nobody has contested that https://t.me/anas1020304050 is his Telegram account. The Internet Archive's Wayback Machine is the web archive most frequently used on Wikipedia (and any evidence that one of its archives has ever been faked would be of great interest). The archived text on "Oct 7" is "9 ساعات ولا زال الأبطال يجوسون خلال الديار يقتلون ويأسرون.. الله الله ما أعظمكم 💚💚💚." Google Translate's translation of that is "9 hours and the heroes are still roaming the country, killing and capturing... Oh God, how great you are." Alaexis wrote, citing that post, that "Al-Sharif celebrated the October 7 attacks". ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 20:15, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply I don't think the difference between celebrated the October 7 attacks versus referred to October 7 attack participants as "heroes" "killing and capturing" is so significant as to require a sanction. (What IOHANNVSVERVS questioned on Alaexis's talk page was just the authenticity of the post, not anything about there being another way to interpret it.) It's certainly fair to respond that it should just quote precisely what he said (to avoid interpretation) or that available secondary sources should be included alongside the post (and separately from the refs not related to the post). All I'd support is an informal reminder to do those things. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 05:02, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Though I said informal reminder, I'm also fine with a warning. Regarding the comments about the +972 piece's (mistaken) assertion that it was deleted soon after, the post was archived 50 days later and then again earlier this year, so the deletion was sometime between this April and August. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 05:03, 28 August 2025 (UTC)Reply NPOV requires "representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." The edits in question, about Sharif's telegram account and his celebration of October 7 appear to have been previously in the article here where they were cited to The Times, a reliable source. "Anas Al-Sharif celebrated the protagonists of the October 7 terrorist attacks as “heroes” while the pogrom was under way, an Israeli journalist has claimed." The same The Times source also reiterates many of the same claims found in the Times of Israel source which details the IDF's claims and evidence of Sharif's status as an actively-paid Hamas rocket-launching team commander -- claims which have been scrubbed from the article in the past two weeks. So, I'm struggling to see how this is UNDUE, insignificant, or not published by a reliable source. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 22:36, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply @IOHANNVSVERVS: Quibbling over the exact wordsmithing is one thing, but that didn't happen here, did it? From what I can tell the edits were reverted wholesale, at least twice. If the content would have been acceptable with some better variation of including the word "alleged" and noting that the Times is reiterating another journalist, that raises the natural follow-up question of "why that didn't happen and why this was escalated to AE instead." ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 00:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Yes, this is a conduct noticeboard; but this is not a conduct dispute. This is a content dispute in which very little attempt has been made to seriously justify any claims of misconduct nor do there appear to have been significant attempts to resolve this directly with the user in question. We don't get to have it both ways -- either this is not subject matter for this forum in the first place (in which case it should be summarily closed), or it is and the substance of the edits in question are relevant to the dispute. The WP:PRIMARY argument holds zero weight with me when there had been pre-existing attempts to include the same information sourced to perennially reliable secondary sources, and it was summarily removed. Come on, we're supposed to be better than that kind of procedural nitpicking, something that resembles the Committee's recent finding that "Highly tendentious disputes over objectively minor issues hurt the Wikipedia project. They hurt the project by reducing editor co-operation, and can drive editors away from working in the areas of the encyclopedia in which they occur. The fact that something may contradict Wikipedia policies or guidelines is not enough to justify disruption that exceeds the harm caused by the underlying issue. Editors are expected to maintain proper perspective about the issues under discussion, and act to further the greater good of the encyclopedia." Do you think that sanctioning Alaexis for this on the basis of WP:PRIMARY demonstrates the degree of perspective that satisfies the greater good of the encyclopedia when we *know* that non-primary sources use the exact wording in question and the only underlying issue is around categorizing it as an allegation? I certainly don't. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 07:21, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply A serious BLP violation doesn't stop being a serious BLP violation just because there's a way to make a similar edit that wouldn't be a BLP violation. If there weren't the case, we'd never be able to sanction anyone who overstates the extent of a felon's crimes or pushes some gossipy stuff that happens to be true. That's not procedural nitpicking or objectively minor. That is a major aspect of BLP enforcement. There's two questions for us to answer here: 1) Did Alaexis introduce policy-violating content to an article? 2) Is a sanction necessary to prevent them from doing that again? On (1), the answer is straightforwardly yes. On (2), I reserve judgment pending response from Alaexis. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 08:14, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Except the subject is dead, and was confirmed dead by reliable sources at the time the edit was made, and this is a further reason why WP:BPD is bad policy, because it states a general rule that Generally, this policy does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. but then goes on to state that The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two years at the outside. So how long does it extend here and where/when was that decided vis-a-vis this article? An indefinite, indeterminate period providing zero guidance as to how that period should be calculated as an exception to a general rule that it would not apply, is too vague to reasonably be grounds to sanction an editor IMO.⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 08:57, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply You're welcome to start another RfC on the wording of BDP; I closed the most recent one, which restored the current wording after a previous undiscussed weakening of the rule. But just as it isn't AE's place to decide whether Alaexis is on the right side of the content dispute, it isn't AE's place to rewrite policy. There is no ambiguity as to whether BDP, as currently written, extends BLP to Anas Al-Sharif, who had been dead for all of a day at the time the edit was made. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 10:53, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply I was the one who suggested that Iohannvs file here. In my view, the answer to SilverLocust's question is point 6: It's an editorialization—a plausible editorialization, perhaps, but still an editorialization—and thus violates WP:PRIMARY (Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. While a primary source is generally the best source for its own contents, even over a summary of the primary source elsewhere, do not put undue weight on its contents.) and WP:BLPSOURCES. Pace Swatjester, it makes no difference to me whether other sources exist that would support including that sentence, because Alaexis didn't cite those sources. This is a conduct noticeboard, not a content noticeboard, and if Alaexis does not understanding the issue with saying a recently deceased person celebrated the October 7 attacks sourced only to their own analysis of a social media post he made, that is a matter that needs to be addressed. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:53, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply We require editors writing about BLPs to rely on secondary sources to characterize them, not on their own analyses of the subject's own words. If secondary sources attribute a position to this person, add that by all means, but OR from a telegram channel? This is basic stuff: I would call this a more clear-cut NPOV violation than is usually brought to this board. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:00, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply @Swatjester and SilverLocust: The subject's recent death is secondary. Interpreting a person's own words to paint them in a negative light in a lead sentence that was about their career, not their views, is a violation of NOR and NPOV. We've been over this many times with other subjects with a penchant for controversial soundbytes. Secondary sources are required for interpretive statements, and I'm surprised admins think otherwise. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply I agree that the BLP policy applies. I'm not aware of an alternative reading of those words having been offered by any source or editor (saying those words do not celebrate participants (i.e., "extol or honour"), namely as الأبطال (the heroes)), and another reading isn't obvious to me, which is why I don't see it as sanctionable interpretation absent reason one should have known that it wasn't permissible description but rather just one possible interpretation. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 17:53, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply It still requires editorial interpretation, no matter how obvious, and it was not presented as an isolated statement about his views, but as a negative veneer for his career, in the article's lead. It is a long-standing principle of NPOV that we do not interpret primary sources in this way. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:11, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Alaexis' response here satisfies me that they understand the issues with their edit. I'd support closing this with a logged warning to be more careful when interacting with primary sources, especially regarding living or recently deceased people. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 06:35, 29 August 2025 (UTC)Reply I would support such a closure. The response misses some things: the key point here is not verifiability, it's neutrality and due weight. I don't think people realize how easy it would be to construct an unfavorable biography of anyone who's active by cherry picking their social media content. But it's sufficiently reflective and conciliatory that nothing further would be justified. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Viceskeeni2

Latest comment: 26 minutes ago14 comments3 people in discussion

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Viceskeeni2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction being appealed

Topic ban from Armenia and Azerbaijan topics, broadly construed
(imposed at AN § Disruptive editing of Viceskeeni2, logged at AEL § User sanctions (AA))

Administrator imposing the sanction

Rosguill (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

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Statement by Viceskeeni2

 

     Viceskeeni2's statement contains 745 words and complies with the 800-word limit.

 

 Y Extension granted to 800 words. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:23, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I hereby ask the Arbitration committee to please lift the sanctions put on me in March of 2025, which restrict me from editing on topics associated with Azerbaijan and Armenia. Since the sanctions, I have made approximately 385 edits to Wikipedia in various topics, contributed to various topic areas, made 4 articles (Sawt Safir al-Bulbul, Jabal e-Malaika, Altes Rathaus, Deggendorf, Ya Ali (phrase)), greatly contributed to 3 articles (2025 Iranian strikes on Al Udeid Air Base, Abu Fanous, Ya Ali), gotten into 0 problems or conflicts (atleast I cannot remember getting into any, if I have done so please correct me), become more mature over the last 5 months and gained more knowledge in the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict and other topic areas. I genuinely regret past mistakes and promise to try not to repeat those mistakes, e.g. when I mistakenly edited on GS/AA article and then didn't contest the sanctions, knowing I did a mistake and will have to pay for it. I ask you to please lift the sanctions on topics associated with Azerbaijan and Armenia, including the conflict, because I have been on sanctions in connection to these 2 countries for almost a year now and have learnt from my mistakes, promising to become a better editor now and in the future. I would be very happy if the committee accepts this request, have a nice day. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 15:10, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Moved from Rosguill's section: I thought editing on userpages and sandboxes doesn't have anything to do with topic bans as they're not public articles or areas. If it actually violates the ban, I will immediately remove it and apologize for my mistake. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 20:35, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

• The first time I was banned due to being new to Wikipedia and not understanding what I supposed to do and what not, and due to that breaking GS/AA multiple times and doing mistakes the admins could not keep up with properly (and we're fed up with me - I understand why), so I got banned, but then successfully got unbanned and was on a clean streak up to March where I stupidly edited on a page about the conflict (more specifically where I updated information about an Armenian church) and then got TBANed, not resisting though because I knew and admitted my mistake. Now 5 months have gone by, I'm on a clean streak and so on (everything I have referenced above). To answer your second question: My plan for if I get unbanned from that topic is NOT to go on an "offensive" again like I did earlier by 24/7 editing on pages about the conflict but rather update information on specific articles, expand information, correct grammar or other mistakes, update photos (look at my Wikimedia Commons page, I have tons of photos I prepare to upload) with new high quality ones and so on. I, again, apologize for past mistakes I have made and admit to them, and promise to continue trying to be on a clean streak, avoid conflict and not violate anything. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  @Voorts The last time I was in a conflict was around Nowruz when I got into conflict with an Armenian editor on the page for Gata (food), when I wanted to insert the fact that it is apart of Azerbaijani cuisine but he/she resisted it and then it escalated quick but that's another topic (my ban was not because of the conflict with the editor, no violation there, but because of the afformentioned violation with the church). I'll try to avoid conflicts like these by not getting into contentious areas at first and rather focusing more on the things I mentioned than editing the conflict (I'll of course, if I'm unbanned, edit on the conflict too but not as offensively as I've done before but try to calm things down and back up from editing high-conflict pages). Viceskeeni2 (talk) 20:33, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  @Voorts because I'm very familiar with the topic, have become better over the past 5 months, believe I can edit again without causing problems like I did in the past, when I was new to Wikipedia, and because WP:5P, WP:OWN and WP:HOW state anyone can freely edit on Wikipedia and contribute to it and WP:BOLD states that if you see something wrong or bad you SHOULD correct if, which I already stated before is my first aim if I get unblocked from the topic, e.g. with newer and high quality pictures. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 23:00, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  @Voorts What should I do from this point on? Viceskeeni2 (talk) 13:27, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Rosguill

 

     Rosguill's statement contains 346 words and complies with the 500-word limit.

I'm generally well-inclined to the written content of the request (demotion of Altes Rathaus, Deggendorf to draftspace notwithstanding as notability/translations were not related to the issues for the original block/ban), but asked Viceskeeni2 that they bring it here given that there's a longer history of related blocks and bans that I think is worth considering before moving forward. My understanding is that the full chronology of prior sanctions is:

• 28 August 2024 -- Blocked by me for 31 hours for GS/AA violations
• 6 September 2024 -- Blocked by me, indefinitely, for further GS/AA violations, battleground attitude, and noting quality issues with edits outside GS/AA
• 19 November 2024 -- Unblocked by HouseBlaster with a conditional topic ban from Armenia and Azerbaijan, both individually and the conflict.
• 18 February 2025 -- Tban partially lifted by HouseBlaster, now applies only to the conflict, not the two countries individually.
• 20 March 2025 -- Tban from Armenia and Azerbaijan individually reimposed by me, following report of violations of the conflict-only tban at AN (Special:Diff/1281448939#Disruptive_editing_of_Viceskeeni2).

My overall impression is that the latest appeal says the right things, and there don't appear to have been signs of disruption since the last ban. I am a bit concerned, however, by the repeated problems with prior iterations of the tbans, which, in line with my assessment at the time of the 6 September 2024 block, would seem to indicate a persistent battleground attitude towards this conflict. Reviewing all of this now, I do also note that on 1 March 2025, while still facing a tban from the conflict, Viceskeeni2 added a custom userbox to their userpage expressing This user opposes ethnic separatism in Nagorno-Karabakh... and most of the rest of the post-Soviet separatist conflicts, which seems like another straightforward topic ban violation that went unnoticed and which is still on their userpage at the moment (the contraposition of opposing these "separatist conflicts" while supporting Chechen and Turkestan independence is left as an exercise to the reader I guess). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:44, 26 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Result of the appeal by Viceskeeni2

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• @Viceskeeni2: what did you do to get TBAN-ed? How will you avoid getting blocked/banned again going forward? voorts (talk/contributions) 19:12, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  @Viceskeeni2: please make comments in your own section. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  @Viceskeeni2: I've granted you an extension of another 300 words. When was the last time you were in a conflict? If the TBAN were lifted, how would you avoid conflict in this contentious topic area going forward? voorts (talk/contributions) 20:24, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  Why do you feel the need to edit in this topic area again? voorts (talk/contributions) 22:42, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

  I'm neutral on an unban at this point and could be persuaded either way by other admins. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:25, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

  @Viceskeeni2: wait for other admins to weigh in here. If they have questions, they will ask. Please note that you're almost at 800 words. If you're asked another question and need more words, please ask for an extension. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:32, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Edard_Socceryg

Latest comment: 5 hours ago5 comments3 people in discussion

Blocked indefinitely as a non-AE action for battleground-y personal attacks and harassment. I recommend that any unblock be conditional on TBANs from WP:CT/A-I and WP:CT/IRP. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 08:30, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Edard_Socceryg User who is submitting this request for enforcement Bluethricecreamman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:59, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply User against whom enforcement is requested Edard_Socceryg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:CT/A-I and WP:CT/IRP Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it I think Edard was just posted on the WP:AN/EW board by @AlexBobCharles: here [95], but looking back, issues are much more significant. 17 July 2025, 18:35, 18 July, 7:45 Violation of the WP:1RR rule in the arab-israeli conflict area 28 August 2025 17:08 30 August 22:01 31 August 2:28 edit warring and constant reversion to suggest Reza Pahlavi is "the current Leader of the Iranian Transitional Government since February 2025" in WP:LEDE. Some comments include incendiary comments about the sourcing and editors, "Wikipedia is not IRIB or IRGC propaganda tool", or "Three Pro Palestinian users co operating to play the system :) I will open a case soon" 17 July 2025July 9 21:20 July 9 21:28 Aug 20 9:53 The edit warring and reversion to WP:OWN the article and push the POV in lead that Pahlavi is leader of a transitional government has been ongoing since at least July. first diff is to remove a POV tag someone added on, next few are to basically keep the lead Edard approves of. July 17 18:32 July 18 7:45 more edit warring, refusal to listen to community consensus on Al Jazeera 2:28 August 31 2025 deleted my comment on the talk page of article with no real edit info 2:31 August 31, 2025 I know what you are doing and I will review the edits of all three of you users soon. This is not a place for Hamas advertising and propaganda. Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any None, I think user is newly WP:XC If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics) Given an alert about contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 4:31 16 July 2025 Additional comments by editor filing complaint Was gonna wait to give more WP:ROPE, but decided to just go ahead and do this after the WP:AN/EW section was created. Think this is the correct venue. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested [96] Discussion concerning Edard_Socceryg Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Edard_Socceryg The case of these three users is very extensive. They all support each other in Palestine-related articles. They are trying to remove me. Interestingly, I was not even the one who added that content and was just protecting the article. If I need to be more respectful of the discussion with these users, fine. But to the reviewer/admin: They are strangely adding their biased views to Palestine-related articles and I am sure I will soon discover their connection to each other. I'm sorry if you feel i ignored the Talkpage recently. I am willing to discuss the issue further now. Edard Socceryg (talk) 23:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply Statement by Bluethricecreamman It appears edard is WP:WIKIHOUNDING me on pages I created and contributed significantly towards immediately after I started this. See [97] and [98] Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply Didn’t notice but also seems like battleground response here. [99] justifying editwaring by suggesting needing to protect Wikipedia from myself and continuing to call editors Hamas propagandists Bluethricecreamman (talk) 02:42, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply Result concerning Edard_Socceryg This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

Regioncalifornia

Latest comment: 14 hours ago6 comments3 people in discussion

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Request concerning Regioncalifornia

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Huldra (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:46, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

User against whom enforcement is requested

Regioncalifornia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles#ARBPIA General Sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 15:27, 24 August 2025 Regioncalifornia (RC) adds Hebrew name to Beit Hanina
2. 23:09, 24 August 2025 I remove it
3. 00:22, 25 August 2025 RC readds it, breaking the 1RR
4. 08:24, 25 August 2025 Editor 1 pings RC, "You just violated 1RR and I invite you to self-revert"
5. 20:25, 25 August 2025 Editor 2 (me) ask them on their user-page to please revert
6. 22:55, 27 August 2025 Editor 3 gives RC "Last chance to self revert"

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• Gave an alert about contentious topics in the area of conflict to another editor, on 22:17, 8 October 2024

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3 different editors have asked RC to revert, we have all been ignored. AE is last resort, Huldra (talk) 20:46, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

As to RC "more than 24 hours had already passed since the edit, so I didn't consider a self-revert necessary.": you were notified, again, for the third time, on the 27th and given "Last chance to self revert". You totally ignored it. Why?

And, as I noted on Talk:Hader, Quneitra Governorate, "Nowhere in the Mariupol infobox does it say that Russia occupy/control it", why should it be different for Israeli occupation? Huldra (talk) 22:19, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified, Huldra (talk) 20:49, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Discussion concerning Regioncalifornia

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Statement by Regioncalifornia

First of all, I acknowledge that I violated the 1RR. At the time, I didn't realize it. I logged out after reverting, and when I returned, more than 24 hours had already passed since the edit, so I didn't consider a self-revert necessary. My sincere apologies for the 1RR violation.

My motivation was to apply the same standard that User:Huldra previously required of me in the article Hader, Quneitra Governorate, where she demanded an RfC before allowing one of my edits. Huldra claims that I "added the Hebrew name" in Beit Hanina. That is not accurate. The name had been part of the article for a long time, practically since its creation. Huldra removed it (21:06, 17 August 2025) without prior discussion or clear justification. I reverted her removal and asked that she seek consensus before making such a change.

Rather than engage in discussion, she insisted that I initiate an RfC to restore longstanding content that she had unilaterally removed. While I understand and again apologize for the 1RR violation on my part, I believe this situation reflects an inconsistent standard: why is it acceptable to remove content that has existed for years without prior discussion, while requiring an RfC to reintroduce it?

I hope this can be addressed in a fair and balanced way, with equal expectations for all users.

Again, more than 24 hours already passed. Now it's been almost a week.

Read the talk on the RfC you made me do. Regioncalifornia (talk) 22:38, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Thepharoah17

Just because a Hebrew name was on the page for a long time doesn’t give you the right to break the 1RR. I removed the Hebrew name on Gaza City even though it was there for seven years except there the user self-reverted. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:58, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Request concerning Fullquarter

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Fortuna imperatrix mundi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:17, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

User against whom enforcement is requested

Fullquarter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:CT/SA

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 08:22, 23 August 2025 Removed non-contentious sourced material.
2. 08:21, 23 August 2025 Attempted to tag CSD.
3. 08:24, 23 August 2025 Tagged for CSD A7 (declined).
4. 08:28, 23 August 2025 Moved a long-standing page to draft.
5. 07:25, 25 August 2025 PRODed (contested).
6. 06:15, 29 August 2025 Removed non-contentious sourced material.
7. 06:17, 29 August 2025 Removed non-contentious sourced material.
8. 06:18, 29 August 2025 Tagged CSD G7 (declined).
9. 08:08, 1 September 2025 Removed non-contentious sourced material.
10. 08:08, 1 September 2025 Removed sourced material.
11. 08:09, 1 September 2025 Removed sourced material.
12. 08:11, 1 September 2025 Removed non-contentious sourced material.

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• Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, at 11:41, 25 August 2025 (UTC).Reply

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Appears to be an attempt at whitewashing Abhishek Verma (arms dealer) (with similar tendentious editing, including mass deletion of material and an attempt to CSD on the Parvesh Verma article), all of which has been reverted (although that on Parvesh Verma has yet to be) by repeatedly removing material (some negative, some vanilla and all sourced per WP:BLPSOURCES) and/or the page itself. Myself, users @Sumanuil, Explicit, Zuck28, and Mz7: and doubtless others have cleaned up after them, Zuck28 asked them about their page moves, no reply; Sumanuil warned them for their deletions, and got a 100% AI-generated response). CTOP/BLP also applies (noticed). (Noting for the record, although not as evidence, that Fullquarter is the primary editor of the E& PPF Telecom Group article with its attendant hint of both UPE and AI generation, per GPTZero.) —Fortuna, imperatrix 12:17, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

• 12:15, 1 September 2025

Discussion concerning Fullquarter

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I've indef'd this editor as NOTHERE as an individual admin action without prejudice to AE action. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:24, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply