Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Tuvalu B-Division

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jenks24 (talk) 12:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2012 Tuvalu B-Division

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Unreferenced article (external links provided are only to primary sources) claims that this is the "12th season of second highest football in Tuvalu". However, this is not strictly true, it is merely the reserve league. There is no promotion or relegation to the A-Division and the games played are only 30 minute halves, so it would be difficult to call this a proper football league in any case. Looking at the articles for Tuvalu Independence Cup and NBT Cup, it is clear that there is one competition for the A-teams and one for the B-teams. Therefore, only the competition for the A-teams could be classed as the genuine national cup (it is difficult to tell which one is the National Cup as neither states it is, although I think the Independence Cup is as it is the longest running). Taking the A-team competition as the true national cup, this league therefore fails WP:FOOTYN as it is not a league from which clubs can enter the national cup, they merely enter a reserve cup and so articles on individual seasons are not notable. Additionally, all the links to the competing teams merely point to the A-team, so there is nothing in the article to assert its own inherent notability and even rsssf makes no mention of the league in 2012 and if it is not reported on that site then I would say it is a pretty firm bet that it also fails WP:GNG. Fenix down (talk) 09:18, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article has existed if since December 2011, if it be arranged, then was it already removes. Also in other countries there exist second Division. Tahiti Second Division, Inter-District Championship (Fiji) and others...why will the Tuvalu B-Division remove become? The Tuvalu National Football Association are recognise member of the FIFA! Because they are member of the OFC. --Klant01 (talk) 13:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)--Klant01 (talk) 13:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. This response is not a suitable argument for keeping the article for the following reasons:

1. As stated in all the other deletion discussions you have responded to, please try to avoid using the "It's been here for ages so should stay argument". This is completely irrelevant and is specifically one argument that editors are asked to avoid here.

2. Secondly, your remarks about Tahiti and fijian competitions are an example of Other stuff exists so why not this which as I have stated in other discussions with you is not appropriate

3. Disregarding the obvious inherent issues with your argument as outlined above, the problem with the B-Division is unlike Tahiti Second Division it is not part of a football pyramid. As the article clearly states, there is no promotion or relegation. As the various articles on cups in Tuvalu here, here, here and here all show clearly, there is a separate competition in each cup for reserve teams. As such, no team that competes in this league could be said to enter the national cup as only A Teams enter the A part of each cup. Therefore this league does not pass WP:FOOTYN. The Tahitian Second Division contains clubs which I would assume can enter the National cup as part of the football pyramid. The Fijian inter-district championship is not a good argument to use as it is merely an unreferenced list of results and like your article makes no attempt to assert notability. Indeed, I would suggest that a deletion discussion for that competition is also valid. Fenix down (talk) 17:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG; non-notable season article of a non-notable league. – Kosm1 fent 19:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails GNG. Giant Snowman 09:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As there is no coverage in reliable sources about this, I don't see any reason to include a season-article on a non-notable reserve league in the encyclopedia. --Mentoz86 (talk) 18:10, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The Tuvalu B-Division is not a notable league that is listed in the user essay WP:NTABLES. This provides a key indicator in determining whether a league season article can be justified. At the same time the article fails WP:GNG. League Octopus (League Octopus 08:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC))[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.