- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus to delete. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:NMUSIC RadioFan (talk) 12:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. —PC78 (talk) 01:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete "N/A" under "Copies sold" for all three of their albums is pretty damning. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. What does the non-availability of sales figures have to do with notability? Very few of our articles about musicians, authors, artists etc. have this information. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails WP:MUSIC. Iowateen (talk) 05:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep because 106 Googe News hits in Korean prove the band's notability.--Caspian blue 05:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you able to read them? Iowateen (talk) 05:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. I will add contents from the sources. -Caspian blue 05:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a Korean band, but they don't have an article on the Korean Wikipedia. I would think that would come first... but that's also me not knowing ko.wiki's notability guidelines. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You can compare the status quo: 2,864,771 articles in English Wiki while 96,544 articles in Korean Wiki. Many (very very) famous figures are totally missing there. Even the third information of ko:존 F. 케네디 (John F. Kennedy) is about Lincoln Kennedy coincidences urban legend. So I think relying on the fact that the ban does not have a page on Korean Wiki is not a good argument to say about notability.--Caspian blue 16:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be why I didn't base my argument on it. :) I was just commenting. I'll reassess the article once you add sources, but right now, I don't see them as being particularly notable with absolutely zero album sales. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- My mind is currently occupied with an article of a mysterious Chinese delicacy, so my editing to the article would be slow (I hope some editors take the job instead though), but I will get there until the discussion ends in 7 days. Then you can decide to change your mind :) --Caspian blue 17:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Not much I can do about translating Korean sources (if only Google Translate were better about that...), but I'm trying to redo the formatting and clean up the information that is there. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- My mind is currently occupied with an article of a mysterious Chinese delicacy, so my editing to the article would be slow (I hope some editors take the job instead though), but I will get there until the discussion ends in 7 days. Then you can decide to change your mind :) --Caspian blue 17:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be why I didn't base my argument on it. :) I was just commenting. I'll reassess the article once you add sources, but right now, I don't see them as being particularly notable with absolutely zero album sales. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You can compare the status quo: 2,864,771 articles in English Wiki while 96,544 articles in Korean Wiki. Many (very very) famous figures are totally missing there. Even the third information of ko:존 F. 케네디 (John F. Kennedy) is about Lincoln Kennedy coincidences urban legend. So I think relying on the fact that the ban does not have a page on Korean Wiki is not a good argument to say about notability.--Caspian blue 16:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a Korean band, but they don't have an article on the Korean Wikipedia. I would think that would come first... but that's also me not knowing ko.wiki's notability guidelines. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. I will add contents from the sources. -Caspian blue 05:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you able to read them? Iowateen (talk) 05:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 15:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As Caspian Blue. I don't know whether its me but I'm starting to get pretty annoyed with Radio Fan's constant new page patrol and plastering of tags. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Oops, time really went by fast. I'm gonna save the article today by expanding contents with sources. --18:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- No, it's not just you. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Has strong claims to notability under WP:MUSIC by winning a major competition (criterion 9) and releasing three albums (criterion 5), and an established editor who reads Korean has said that there is significant coverage in reliable sources, so we should assume good faith and keep this without putting pressure on anyone to edit this article to a deadline. I would also add that nobody asking for deletion has given any indication of any efforts check whether the article does pass notability criteria. Two of them just say that the subject fails WP:MUSIC without saying why the claims to pass two criteria are incorrect, and the other bizarrely says that the unavailability of precise sales figures for albums is a reason for deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.