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AUI (constructed language)

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No evidence of notability I can see. Main sources of significant coverage are not independent, one links back to this article and is apparently self-published. Survived deletion in 2005; that discussion is here. Draw you own conclusions but I have to think notability standards have evolved since then. Significant COI editing as noted on the talk page. I didn't find any relevant sources on google scholar, which may not be surprising given this language was purportedly revealed to Weilgart by an alien. —Rutebega (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Philosophy. —Rutebega (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As a professor of psychology my father was never involved with the linguistic academic community and it is likely not useful to use online metrics for what happened long before the Internet.

aUI is a recognized Conlang with a decades long respected history, included on lists of all comprehensive well known conlangs.

The criteria for notability and conflict of interest clause is biased itself. We have Wikipedia articles on some teenage streamers who swear while playing video games and articles about fake products and services that will never be produced, made by corporate shills just to impress investors. There is also endless astroturfing in articles that even remotely have something to do with politics or history.

Thanks so much for your unbiased attention!

Cosmicomandi (talk) 16:31, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PS After being invited to speak at the international Polyglot Gathering this spring, and also at two Conlang Adventures put on by the Polyglot and Language Lovers of LA, I just finished presenting at the world's largest sci fi con, WorldCon in Seattle. Cosmicomandi (talk) 16:33, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is not about your COI; I mentioned it only to provide full context for the article being discussed for deletion. I do think the question What am I selling? is a strange thing to ask in light of this web store on what you referred to as our current website. Anyone is welcome to participate here, but I would strongly encourage you to read through our requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia and make arguments based on those established guidelines. You may also find this guide for experts informative. —Rutebega (talk) 20:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Quite a bit of coverage in Arika Okrent's In the Land of Invented Languages (from Random House, but author seems reliable) , couple pages of coverage in Jahrbuch der Gesellschaft für Interlinguistik 2018 (here), from Leipziger Universitätsverlag, some short textual analysis in Perspectives on Linguistic Pragmatics (here) and Inquiries in Philosophical Pragmatics (here), both from Springer. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 20:29, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going with a keep on this. There's a review in The Times Literary Supplement (no. 3600, Gale EX1200370742) for aUI, The Language of Space, and some coverage in newspapers: Kansas City Times, Leader-Telegram. The article does need some work though. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 20:56, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding these! Okrent seems credible but mostly focuses on Weilgart's personal history, with a few interesting details about the language thrown in. Much better coverage in JGI, but I want to verify it's been peer reviewed before relying heavily on it; the author does not seem to have an academic affiliation. The newspaper articles along with Okrent's book would seem to establish notability for Weilgart himself. I am now leaning toward a page move and cleanup if people are amenable to that. —Rutebega (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly appreciate your efforts in finding these articles. Yes, Arika Okrent, PhD linguist, author of Land of Invented Languages had extensively interviewed me for that. And her chapter on aUI covers more than just my father's personal details. Just wanted to also add, that it's exactly for the reason of clarifying misinterpretations on the internet (mostly due to Brad Steiger's book) about Weilgart's supposed revelation of the language by an alien - ridiculous as a serious philosopher and psychoanalyst - that a Wikipedia article can serve. And I can see that the website still is not clear enough in that respect. "...A boyhood vision of an ET imparting a transparent tongue" means a 'boyhood vision' - not an actual occurrence - it was simply his earliest inspiration.

As for 'what am I selling?" - you're right, forgot about that - since I haven't sold but maybe one book there. Selling, you may be able to surmise, is not our main goal; this is an idealistic, educational cause as part of a non-profit organization working in the interest of world peace (at least in a theoretical way) and if I'm selling anything it's in search of a graduate student who would be interested in taking on aUI as part of research of brain mapping - semantic vs. phonological mapping.

Thank you again ever so much for your understanding!

Cosmicomandi (talk) 17:03, 18 August 2025 (UTC) Cosmicomandi (talk) 03:22, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV per the sources identified by ARandomName123. I caution others to look at the sources, judge purely by our notability guidelines, and avoid being prejudicial because of the involvement of an editor with a clear WP:COI. Our job here is not to solve the COI problem but evaluate notability.4meter4 (talk) 20:24, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]