- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep (NAC) RMHED. 23:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
AfDs for this article:
- Alec Greven (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
This article is for the then nine-year-old author of 'How to Talk to Girls'. It can be argued that the article fails notability guidelines due to WP:BLP1E, the book is notable, but the coverage of the individual in sources purporting to establish notability are only in the context of the book. A possible course of action would be to merge any useful information into a book article and delete. AfD of failed (2nd'd) prod. I'll note that while I seconded the prod and nominated for AfD, my support for deletion is persuadable, because I can indeed see some arguments ("multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" under WP:Creative,etc...), but I don't find those arguments entirely convincing. Jo7hs2 (talk) 18:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Move over redirect and rewrite to How to Talk to Girls. The book seems more notable than the author, at least at this point, and we don't need an article on both. So move it to the name of the book, and rewrite it so that it reflects primarily on the book, and secondarily on the author. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 19:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect All the information is somehow related to the book. No need for independent article just yet. - Mgm|(talk) 21:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as a bio article with a section on the book, and keep How to Talk to Girls as a redirect. What makes this subject noteworthy and thus secures notability for Alec Greven is the very fact that he authored the book at such a young age, and has attracted considerable media attention for having done so. Since the contents are all drawn from his life-experience, the notability of the book is secondary to and derives entirely from that of its author. Also note that I've added the article to Category:American child writers, which has a grand total of 16 articles -- a fairly elite group, I'd say. Cgingold (talk) 13:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per Cgingold. Edward321 (talk) 14:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I have to agree with Cgingold. He has gotten enough coverage from secondary sources to be notable, and he passes WP:BIO. The significance of writing a successful book at this age surpasses the significance of the actual book. FingersOnRoids 22:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Nomination Withdrawn: I was looking for a convincing argument to keep the article, since I was on the fence, but I was carrying out the natural extension of a failed prod. Cgingold (talk) has provided a convincing argument in noting that the book is drawn entirely from the life-experiences of the author, rather than being a pure work of fiction. As such, the author can be considered sufficiently notable that the article is on him. I am withdrawing my nomination, with the recommendation that a redirect be created at "How to Talk to Girls (Book)" or similar. I do not recommend the creation of a book article. Jo7hs2 (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.