Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alestorm

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 01:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alestorm

Heavy Metal Pirates (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - albums added by Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable band, not satisfying criteria of WP:music MSGJ (talk) 13:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keephttp://heavymetal.about.com/b/2008/02/02/alestorm-interview.htm http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/band.php?band_id=2786&bandname=Alestorm http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=99015 http://www.wacken.com/it/woa2008/main-bands/billing-2008/alestorm08/ This really isn't even close to non-notable. There are also a number of reputable reviews on the album page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.181.195.10 (talk)

You've shown me an interview, a directory listing with nothing else than the band's membership, a primary source, and a piece of PR puffery. Those are not reliable third party sources; the reviews, maybe. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are indeed a few good reviews of their albums online (most notably the About.com reviews), but I doubt the EPs are notable (EPs usually are borderline). I'm not finding very much in the way of sources, but Napalm Records seems to be at least marginally notable, so they might meet WP:MUSIC. I'll await further commentary, however. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that the Wacken link sucks, but that is only to point out that they're playing a Wacken, which is arguably the biggest metal festival on earth. I'm really not that well versed in metal, but I do know that blabbermouth wouldn't cover a non-notable band, and the fact that I've heard of Alestorm suggests notability. Not to mention the extensive edit history. But you're right about the EP's Those articles are likely unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.181.195.10 (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Metal is a tricky subject for AfDs since they usually tend to be "underground", and it's hard to determine sometimes whether a source is truly reliable. If I could find even a news article on Wacken, that would be helpful. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 14:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finding a third party article on the Wacken Open Air festival is proving dificult as well, as almost everything I find is simply the addition of a band. But with 70+ bands playing, it might not be all that exclusive either.136.181.195.10 (talk) 14:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: as we have a specific guideline about the notability of music and bands, I suggest you look at wp:music and see if it can be verified if the band meets any of these criteria. MSGJ (talk) 15:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm surprised it's even being considered in the first place. This band is a very much breakthrough act from their first album. Also like half a million views on their myspace, slightly behind Firewind who have their own page. Seriphyn (talk) 08:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think the alestorm page should stay, they were notable enough to be featured in Metal Hammer's battle metal themed CD, along with the likes of Turisas, Ensiferum and Finntroll. Infact, I defy anyone to give evidence to show they are not notable enough to stay! -Anon 14:13, 5/7/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.125.122 (talk) 13:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Like Seriphyn above, I am surprised that this is being considered for deletion. There are not one but four different professional reviews listed for Captain Morgan's Revenge and that has to be something of an anomaly for album articles nominated for deletion. Yes, it is their one and only album but it's on a major heavy metal label Napalm Records. Consequently, the band has received plenty of coverage. Aside from the four reviews already listed on the album page, there's interviews here, here, here, here, here, Allmusic bio here, news coverage here, here, here, here, here, here, here, more reviews here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, need I go on? Clearly notable per criteria 1 of WP:MUSIC. --Bardin (talk) 13:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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