Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Stanley (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Background: In perusing some old AfDs I participated in, I came across this unusual case. In the original AfD the result was a delete as the closing admin discounted the SPAs and "I've heard of him" calls. The AfD itself opened in 2005 under the old VfD naming convention, appears to have gotten lost, renamed in October, then had !votes trickle in from Jul-Aug of 2006, then closed in Oct by Guy. However, a keep-voter from the AfD removed the tag from the article, and for whatever reason the article was never actually deleted.

Present: Given the AfD's odd history and length of time since, it probably can't just be procedurally deleted now, so...where it is at is still the same concerns raised 5-6 years ago. Stanley gets a brief name-drop in a USA Today/Christians Science Monitor article about "godcasting" in general, but beyond that I see nothing reliable or significant in terms of coverage. The bibliography is long but none of the material sufficiently meets WP:AUTHOR Tarc (talk) 15:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Substantial media coverage.^[1] --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  It helps to read the sources that one cites and note that the "coverage" of Stanley himself is largely incidental, a part of larger stories on the churches, brief name-drops, or hidden behind paywalls. There is nothing found via that search criteria that demonstrates significant, in-depth coverage of the subject. Tarc (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  Tarc, regarding paywalls, see our Verifiability Policy (specifically WP:PAYWALL). --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  Tarc, given your characterization elsewhere of my keep rationale as "god-awful", I've complied some sample references at Talk:Andy Stanley#Notability. As founder and pastor of the U.S.' second-largest church, Stanley seems to be thriving with or without a Wikipedia article. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Per A.B., per sourcing. But lets wait and see for more consensus.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I might be reading to mutch into this but the sum of it all seem to be that this article was deleted once, and there for has to be deleted again. That is no reason for deletion. Especially per ^[2].--BabbaQ (talk) 17:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I believed that it "had" to be deleted simply because of AfD #1 I would have gone to DRV or perhaps the original closing admin, but I felt that given the oddities of the original discussion and the length of time since that it deserved a proper 2011-era discussion. Tarc (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. —A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. —A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per extensive coverage, especially the "most influential churches" list. See also http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/178-survey-reveals-the-books-and-authors-that-have-most-influenced-pastors. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep if he wasn't notable before, he's certainly notable now. It's always good to talk about these things, though!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep a lot has happened in the last five years. Being the 10th most influential living preacher means that he's notable. StAnselm (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.