- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was KEEP and CLEAN UP. — JIP | Talk 07:58, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Article is hopelessly POV, if indeed this is an actual real term it also likely belongs in Wiktionary, not here. --Locke Cole 17:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to cleanup. I agree that it is POV and contains some copyvio, but that can be fixed. Animutation is a somewhat popular Internet phenomenon, and a very well-known style of Flash animation. --Aurochs
- Cleanup Please research before nominating for deletion. Google lists over 12,000 references for this animation subgenre. Durova 17:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I did research. I noted the 12,000+ references for "animutation". I then tried the same search with "Cicierega" as one of the keywords, and only got 487 hits. The problem isn't that there exists such a subgenre, the problem is that this particular article is so POV ridden and worthless that I think it needs to be scrapped and started over from scratch by someone who isn't trying to push an individual or an agenda. --Locke Cole 18:01, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I just have to point out right here that "hyakugojyuuichi", Cicierega's second (and the first that became really famous) animutation, gives 11,500 google hits, and that's an otherwise (nearly?) unheard of word. Cicierega's name isn't as famous as his creations, mostly because he uses various aliases and because it's just not relevant information to the flashes, but he's created or been key in creating numerous internet phenomena, most noteably the genre of Animutation and Potter Puppet Pals (34,300 GHits when in quotes). It doesn't make sense to argue that the popularity of his name is the only acceptable evidence of his popularity.--Anonymous (sorry) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.202.112 (talk • contribs)
- Cleanup massively, this is more vanitycruft from Neil Cicierega as currently written. KillerChihuahua
- Keep. I've done some cleanup. Does any more need doing? --Billpg 19:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The article needs more than a cleanup, it needs to be rewritten. It states many things as fact (such as this Neil person "inventing" it) without providing credible sources to back this up. It smacks of self promotion as well. --Locke Cole 03:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete neologism. Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 19:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- And what's wrong with that? Slashdot effect is also a neologism, but I don't think anybody objects to its presence here. Meme is a neologism, but I'm sure nobody's put that page up for deletion either. --Aurochs
- To be fair, "Slashdot Effect" (in quotes as a phrase) on Google gets almost 92,000 hits. Animutation only gets 13,000. If you just run the words "Slashdot Effect" (without quotes, as keywords) you get 1,750,000 hits. It also wouldn't surprise me to learn that some of those "animutation" hits are talking about something else since the pairing of those words isn't exactly a hard one to come up with. (Whereas "Slashdot Effect" is specific to one website). --Locke Cole 04:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- And what's wrong with that? Slashdot effect is also a neologism, but I don't think anybody objects to its presence here. Meme is a neologism, but I'm sure nobody's put that page up for deletion either. --Aurochs
- Cleanup although it might be easier to start over, just blank the page for five seconds and make a new one if it makes anyone feel better. - brenneman(t)(c) 23:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but clean-up. Notable Internet phenomenon. 23skidoo 03:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, and rewrite from scratch. Cleanup won't help this article. --Locke Cole 03:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, yet more cleanup. I've commented out a couple of offending sections, including claims that Neil Cicierega invented the genre and the claim surrounding independent musicians. Could people who voted cleanup above this comment please take another look? --Billpg 08:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- It needs a lot of work.. check out Incandescent light bulb for an example of how Animutation should be rewritten/cleaned up. I'm still not entirely convinced this is even encylopedic material, but I am trying to keep an open mind. (And before anyone else jumps in with examples of things they don't think are encyclopedic, I don't care-- the issue isn't other articles, the issue is this article. If you have problems with another article being here, nominate it for AfD). --Locke Cole 10:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep-PlasmaDragon 18:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep; it is a very popular animation style on the Web. But the article needs heavy revision. Some parts are plagiarised from the AlbinoBlackSheep page, for example. (The article says that some parts are "sourced" from that page, but that's not valid. They need to be specifically identified as quotes from that page, rather than mixed in with the other article text.) —AdamAtlas 21:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Cleanup; Animutation is a cult internet phenomenon, who made it or where it came from would need to be better defined and the articale needs be we very rewritten, but a particular form of flash art deserves an entry with specific details of its definition and history,people looking for more information about this should be able to come to wikipedia as a source. Trollsb 04:59, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- user's second edit Karmafist 05:15, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongest Possible Delete per my comments at the Neil Cicierega afd. Karmafist 05:42, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep; it's an internet meme which has progressed beyond the initial contributions by Neil Cicierega.Caterpillar 36 20:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Sixth edit by this user and all of their edits have been to vote Keep on AfD articles. --Locke Cole 01:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but clean up. Animutation is pretty notable, and it is a generally recognized term. I do not, however, agree that Mr. Cicierega invented the genre by any stretch (it'd be coming closer, though still not entirely correct, to say that *I* invented it -- but I'm sure someone did it before me), he merely popularized it. However, note that Mr. Cicierega is not responsible for the propagation of the idea that he invented Animutation. Tgies 01:40, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Users 46th edit, but note contribs-- user voted keep on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neil Cicierega yesterday, and that was their 11th edit. --Locke Cole 02:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to Cleanup: Animutations are notable as a whole. Call me back when they start making articles for individual flash files. -- -- Bobdoe (Talk) 23:01, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.