- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect and possibly merge with Dan Boeckner. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 14:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Atlas Strategic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Rapture, Ye Minions! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Came across this article when investigating an unsourced image. This article has been speedied many times before under g12, a7, etc. I think we should run a proper AfD to decide whether this band is notable. Also nominating the band's first album for which "Only 500 copies were made". Looks like a NN band to me. My vote is to delete Aksi_great (talk) 05:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as nn --RaiderAspect 12:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The band itself may not be particularly notable; however, due to Dan Boeckner's presence, it deserves to stay. Boeckner is musically significant as part of the recent, critically-acclaimed "Indie" band Wolf Parade, and thus a chronicle of his previous musical exploits demands relevance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.77.237 (talk) ; This signature was previously placed at the very top of the AFD, and has been moved by Dennisthe2 at 15:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because recreations suggest a determined audience who will work to keep it and hopefully improve it. --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A small number of dedicated fans is not a sign of notability if they're that obscure. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, non notable band. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, firstly because look at what Dan Boeckner has done since his time leading Atlas Strategic. He's in one of the most notable indie bands, Wolf Parade. Also, the note of only 500 copies being made being a bad thing, that just means the label wasn't able to print more. The only time one has ever shown up on ebay it went for 75 USD, tell that doesn't add some notability. To back that up Rapute, Ye Minions! on eBay going for 75. Also the stir that the band makes, or the page on last.fm, it seems much larger than many other bands who have articles here. I'll find those bands if you would like. Mikqick 02:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Deletion standards are generally not subjective (i.e. just because someone thinks X is more/as notable as Y doesn't mean X should be kept). Reviewing WP:MUSIC, the only criteria it might pass is #5 (contains at least one notable member), but even that is borderline. Maybe merge/redirect to Dan Boeckner? --RaiderAspect 06:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- FWIW, I'd support that. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Deletion standards are generally not subjective (i.e. just because someone thinks X is more/as notable as Y doesn't mean X should be kept). Reviewing WP:MUSIC, the only criteria it might pass is #5 (contains at least one notable member), but even that is borderline. Maybe merge/redirect to Dan Boeckner? --RaiderAspect 06:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Question, One of many numerous less needed articles than this is the Flashy Python and the Body Snatchers article. Why should it stay and this be deleted? Mikqick 01:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Answer - because nobody has yet nominated it for deletion. Check WP:AFD for instructions on how to do this (hint: scroll down until you see the instructions) - but make sure you review the reasons that an article should be deleted. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 01:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Then why is this article so often up for deletion? Is it purely bad luck? Mikqick 03:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Answer - because nobody has yet nominated it for deletion. Check WP:AFD for instructions on how to do this (hint: scroll down until you see the instructions) - but make sure you review the reasons that an article should be deleted. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 01:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment In a sense, yes, it is purely a question of luck. Some articles that have no place on Wikipedia survive for months, even years, simply because no one finds them and bothers to AFD them. Others are deleted within days. The end result is the same, but the process just takes longer for some articles than others. --RaiderAspect 04:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Do I need to continue to prove why this shouldn't be deleted? Mikqick 23:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Answer - If by prove, you mean that you are going to provide reliable sources that verify notability, especially according to WP:MUSIC, then yes, you still need to provide them - in the article. If you can do this, I will change my mind. Read those links for guidelines on how to do this. If, however, this is not the case, then no - in this latter case, my !vote, for one, will stand. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 06:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Would a public announcement of the plan to reissue the two albums make it relevant? Does it have to take Pitchfork's ranting about something to make it 'fit' for wikipedia? Should I try to have Global Symphonic publically announce the upcoming reissue? Mikqick 18:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- By the looks of it, if GS makes the announcement, then there might be something - heavy emphasis on might. I cannot stress it enough: read up on WP:MUSIC, because the answers to your questions are in there. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 00:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Would a public announcement of the plan to reissue the two albums make it relevant? Does it have to take Pitchfork's ranting about something to make it 'fit' for wikipedia? Should I try to have Global Symphonic publically announce the upcoming reissue? Mikqick 18:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Answer - If by prove, you mean that you are going to provide reliable sources that verify notability, especially according to WP:MUSIC, then yes, you still need to provide them - in the article. If you can do this, I will change my mind. Read those links for guidelines on how to do this. If, however, this is not the case, then no - in this latter case, my !vote, for one, will stand. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 06:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Atlas Strategic is a very notable British Columbian band, look at the official description of Wolf Parade on Sub Pop's site, "Band Boeckner of notable B.C. band Atlas Strategic. 72.161.50.57 04:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Above user has made no contributions outside this AFD. --RaiderAspect 08:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Is that relevant? Mikqick 14:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Above user has made no contributions outside this AFD. --RaiderAspect 08:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Dan Boeckner per criteria #5 of WP:MUSIC. Rockstar (T/C) 23:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would be fine with this as long as much of the Atlas Strategic information can be added and if the Rapture, Ye Minions! page is left. Also, once there is any new news that makes an Atlas Strategic page 'worthy' of wikipedia for it to be added. Okay? Mikqick 01:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Rapture has even less notability than the main article itself. An album that only sold 500 copies (for whatever reason) is not notable. --RaiderAspect 03:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would be fine with this as long as much of the Atlas Strategic information can be added and if the Rapture, Ye Minions! page is left. Also, once there is any new news that makes an Atlas Strategic page 'worthy' of wikipedia for it to be added. Okay? Mikqick 01:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable band. The fact that this article has until this point escaped deletion is a coincidence, not an indication of value. —Ocatecir Talk 07:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Dennis The Tiger ffm ✎talk 13:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.