Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AutoSimSport Magazine

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The result was delete. The arguments for keeping the article were not compelling, and the article continues to fail WP:RS, and therefore WP:V and WP:N. The sources provided in the article are either from the subject of the article, or very brief mentions in passing, so they do not qualify as WP:RS. This deletion is not prejudicial, however, so if reliable, independent sources can be found which show notability, the article can be recreated. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 19:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AutoSimSport Magazine

seems like a non-notable magazine, has no secondary sources to establish notability. Pollytyred (talk) 17:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a Website on this Magazine. It is an E-magazine. What makes it non-notable, because you haven't read it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.128.147.10 (talk) 17:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP AutoSimSport Magazine has had 294,500 total issue downloads since its inception. The magazine averages a circulation of 12,000 readers per issue. AutoSimSport Magazine is read by people in an average of 70 countries worldwide on a monthly basis. The AutoSimSport website has had a cumulative average of 1,178,713 website hits per month since July 2006. Ljmagyar (talk) 17:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC) — Ljmagyar (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete Non-notable e-zine. Seems a tad promotional to me, even without that though, wouldn't be more notable than most other non-notable online mags. MBisanz ^talk 17:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it seems that the creator and main editor might be the lead marketer of the publication, so it's very possible this is a WP:SPAM-ish article. MBisanz ^talk 19:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, [1] has an alexa rankings of between the ~900,000th and ~3,500,000 most popular website on the internet. MBisanz ^talk 02:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Alexa is showing AutoSimSport.net with a ranking of 926,878 out of tens-of-billions of websites. Ljmagyar (talk) 14:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sim racing is a sub-genre of computer "gaming". It's an area of gaming that is experiencing new development. As computer hardware becomes more robust, so will the simulation software like Live for Speed. This magazine fills the sim racing niche. We can work on the promotional tone. E_dog95'^{Hi '} 19:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I can understand why it might be considered self promotion if it was a marketer of the publication who created it, but as a fan of the sim-racing genre I would have created it myself had it occurred to me to do so and I have no affiliation with the magazine. We can always work on the tone. If sim racing warrants an entry I believe AutoSimSport warrants an entry.(ZappoMechanic (talk) 20:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)) — ZappoMechanic (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I would consider the fact that large corporations such as Logitech consider it notable enough to advertise their products as well as nearly every other smaller company that produces hardware and software specific to simulated racing. It has interviewed on several occasions the creators of several of the simulators Wikipedia has substantial sections on. It has a large entry on simulated racing, this is the the largest publication related to sim-racing- I think it's notable certainly within that context. (ZappoMechanic (talk) 17:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Keep I think there is enough evidence it isthe leading publication in its field. But, FWIW, I do not think that every publication a notable company advertises in is relevant. if there were many publications in the field, i'd expect to see Logitech ads in each one of them.DGG (talk) 04:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have set up an account with GoStats to externally track data. We have been using AWStats in addition to Webalizer. The addition of GoStats makes three sources of statistical data. Ljmagyar (talk) 02:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Exactly Zero of the references in the article are "significant coverage by reliable third party sources". Non-notable. And that's without even going into the COI issues. And AwStats, webalizer, and gostats are not independent - they're simply numbers on your own site. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: <Autosimsport is the only sim racing publication I am aware of, and sim racing is a notable activity. ASS is the first port of call for many sim racers to get the latest info on their hobby and to find out about the lastest developments. They have exclusive interviews revealing exclusive information, and so for anyone interested in sim racing (and judging by the number of articles on here for various sims, that is not an insignificant number) ASS is highly relevant.> (Simon) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.140.64 (talk) 18:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I would think that the amount of downloads per issue is enough to let it stay. It reviews just about every racing/driving sim in the majority of formats available. Many times this is done before the general public gets their hands on them. It has also been the chosen release point for important mods. The hardware designers/manufactures have routinely used AutoSimSport to test and review their equipment. The fact that simracing actually had a page here caught me off guard. But if it's here then quite simply AutoSimSport should most certainly be allowed inclusion. It is the only mag related to the topic. Kevin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.37.44 (talk) 18:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Others are on the way as soon as I can dig them up, but to help establish credibility The Australian, December 5, 2006 ran an article about sim racing by Simon Canning. A substantial section introducing the subject is an interview with Alex Martini, editor of AutoSimSport Magazine, and mentions the magazine as well. AutoSimSport would be the the first place someone in the media would go to for information. A scan of the article is available: http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ccf0912200600002bej6.jpg (ZappoMechanic (talk) 21:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

NASCAR Illustrated, "The Best Driver You've Never Heard of", October 2006, page 54. It quotes Bob Simmerman (assistant editor of the magazine), and names the magazine describing it as "on online publication that covers SimRacing." It's pretty clear to me that though sim-racing itself is a rather niche hobby, when it does surface within the popular press, AutoSimSport is frequently mentioned and its editors/writers consulted. In my opinion, it easily meets the criteria for being the leading publication in its field (sim racing)- even if that field is relatively small. At any rate, sim-racing itself has an entry here and that entry would be more useful if it could link to a wiki for AutoSimSport which is the primary source for those interested in news and information about sim-racing. (ZappoMechanic (talk) 01:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Here is a link to a PDF version of the above article: http://www.bugeyetech.com/virtual.pdf (ZappoMechanic (talk) 01:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Whoops, I got some of that wrong. The article is called "Virtually the Best" and, I forgot to add, was written by Jay Pfeifer. Sorry about that. Thank you. (ZappoMechanic (talk) 02:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

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