Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bi-2 (2nd nomination)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An unknown band, without sources, nor notability. Jmlk17 11:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It's one of the most famous Russian rock bands ever since the 90's. It was deleted and then returned by a Russian administrator who commented this return on the discussion page. Ask every Russian, from Russia if he knows them, and you will see he does. M.V.E.i. 11:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If they are famous (and they may be), it shouldn't be hard to turn up a reliable source that verifies their notability. Otherwise, what you're saying just reduces to 'Keep because WP:ILIKEIT'. --Bfigura (talk) 16:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)See Below --Bfigura (talk) 22:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep due increased sourcing. More reliable sources would be great, but that would be a cleanup issue. --Bfigura (talk) 22:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that the page needs to be cleaned up- I'll find some time between classes and this weekend to start writing an improved version of the page- and I'll see about more English sources (there are many top Russian media companies and publications that write about them). User: Olegious September 4, 2007 15:39 Pacific
- Just make the check the Russian administrator made and wrote about on the Discussion page, type band Bi-2 or Би-2 and you will find many links, mostly Russian. You can also write their name at YouTube and see many of their clips. The project they led, Nechetniy Voin had bands like Agata Kristi, Nochniye Snaiperi (read about them at the Russian Rock category) and the Latvian Brainstorm. They wouldn't gather to a work led by an unknown band. If you would know Russian i would give you a link from the Russian MTV about tham that includes many awards and top-chart singles they had. M.V.E.i. 18:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep/Comment They are notable enough for WP without question, but references need to be added. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 18:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If someone would help me it would be nice, their is to much information on them and to much awards they took it's hard to collect them as puzzle from the internet. Because for a long time the Russian rock theme was left untouched on the English Wikipedia many here lost the inthusiasm and returned to the Russian wikipedia. I want to open a Russian rock WikiProject, so i could gather people and list the articles needing more references and expension and that way it will be easier and better to work because there will be a team, but the problem is that i dont know how to start a WikiProject, i dont know how to create it. I really work hard on the theme, i created more then 10 articles on importent Russian rock bands, but it's hard to be alone. If i'd had a WikiProject i could bring a team. M.V.E.i. 18:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, passes WP:MUSIC easily. MaxSem 22:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Saying that the entry should be deleted simply because there are no English sources is ridiculous. The article for Kino (arguably the most iconic Russian/Soviet rock band of all time doesn't have any English language citations either- does that mean it should be deleted as well? I'll do some research tonight and see if I can find any English sources, I know they used to be signed to Sony's record label. User: Olegious 16:02 (Pacific) 2 September 2007
- Keep/Comment I am sorry, I've been away from editing Wiki, and I am appalled someone would notify the band page for deletion. Here's a page on the band history in English: http://russmus.net/band.jsp?band=Bi-2. They tour in the US quite frequently, and here's a link to the organization that brought them here the last time I attended a concert: http://russianrock.net/newsite/englsih.shtml
There are very few of us (I wish there were more) who are concerned with visibility of Russian music for the English-speakers, and suggesting this page for deletion is ludicrous. It is hard enough for any of the Russian-speaking bands to gain popularity in the US due to the language barrier, and now we want to delete any possibility of them being known outside of Russia??? Ani td 02:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Found some English language articles that mention Bi-2:
1. Alastair Gee, Party with a Pop Star, The Moscow Times, May 2, 2007. - This one discusses what their fee is for private concerts- 15,000-20,000 Euros which (according to the article) places them in the same league as Leningrad and Via Gra two groups that have Wikipedia articles.
2. Maria Antonova, What to Do: Be Part of the Benefit, The Moscow Times, May 29, 2007. - This one discusses a concert happening in Moscow benefiting children's cancer charities. It lists Bi-2 as one of the "big names in Russian...pop and rock..." who are participating in the concert. The article mentions Bi-2 as one of the "stars" along with Mumiy Troll.
3. Tiffany Bakker, FOR PETE'S SAKE - WHY MR MURRAY IS GOING GLOBAL - Our man in Moscow, Sunday Telegraph Magazine (Australia), September 24, 2006. - This Australian article discusses a concert in Moscow called "Maxidrom 2006" which in 2005 was headlined by Franz Ferdinand and is "no dud" (meaning you have to be a big name to play there), Bi-2 is mentioned as one of the artists.
4. Yevgeny Sobetsky, Chechen police to drill security ahead of Nov 7 festival, ITAR-TASS News Agency, November 2, 2005. - Discusses the preparations for a rock festival in Chechnya. Bi-2 is listed as one of the "well-known groups" to be playing the festival along with Agata Kristi, Nochniye Snaiperi and others.
As you can see Bi-2 is consistently referred to as a "star" group and plays shows with other Russian groups that all have Wikipedia pages. If this is not enough to keep the article, then I don't know what is. I found these articles by doing a periodicals search through LexisNexis. User:Olegious September 4, 2007 15:01 Pacific
- Bi-2 also performed at the Live 8 concert, Moscow concert. M.V.E.i. 15:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 09:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.