- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was - DELETE both (not encyclopedic) - Nabla 22:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable athlete. Subject is a high school player who was just drafted by a Major League club. Players who are drafted out of high school may go to college instead of playing professional baseball, and may be drafted once or twice more before ever signing a professional contract. Article does nothing else to assert notability. Caknuck 02:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also nominating (for similar reasons):
- Delete both per wp:bio athletes haven't played at highest level of amateur sports or pro sports.Balloonman 04:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The rules are clear. Once they've played at the highest level they're in, schoolboys who might play in the future are not. This applies to soccer and cricket and should apply here. Nick mallory 05:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Question What are the guidelines on Minor leaguers? The minor leagues are a fully professional league. This kid will be in the minor leagues once he signs a contract (although that may take some time to work out). So would the call be to delete now and bring it back once he signs a contract or delete and wait until he makes the majors? Montco 06:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- After further review delete as a non-notable baseball player. Wait till you get to the show. Montco 02:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Once he plays, I would have no problem supporting him---as it would be a professional sport and meet the criteria---but being drafted doesn't (yet) meet the criteriaBalloonman 06:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:BIO, notability is established by playing in a "fully professional league", however, consensus has been that baseball players do not achieve sufficient notability until they reach the Majors. There are, quite literally, thousands of players in the minor league baseball system, most of whom will never play in the Bigs. Caknuck 17:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Doczilla 07:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 13:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Not any sports expert, but aren't some people drafted but never given a contract? So there are more hurdles to jump before a drafted high school athlete becomes a minor league pro athlete? There should be no bar to recreation of an article about such an athlete if they play minor league baseball later. Edison 18:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- ReplyHe was drafted in the first round. While he may not make it to the majors, he will be offered a contract. He may not accept and end up playing college or independent league ball, but that's on him. But he will get offered a contract.Montco 18:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply even if he signs a contract and joins the team, there is no guarantee that he will make the team or ever play a game. He probably will, but at this point he doesn't meet the guidelines. After he makes it, these articles will belong.Balloonman 20:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually once he signs a contract , he will be assigned to Rookie League or Single A League Ball which is a professional baseball league and he will play there unless he suffers an injury while celebrating his new contract. Which is why I asked about the minor leagues above. If consensus is that we don't do minor league ballplayers, then he is gone as far as my vote is concerned. I just haven't seen any evidence of consensus in that area in this discussion.Montco 22:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I was only able to find one example from the past few weeks... James Garcia. I'll link more tonight when I have more time to search. Caknuck 19:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually once he signs a contract , he will be assigned to Rookie League or Single A League Ball which is a professional baseball league and he will play there unless he suffers an injury while celebrating his new contract. Which is why I asked about the minor leagues above. If consensus is that we don't do minor league ballplayers, then he is gone as far as my vote is concerned. I just haven't seen any evidence of consensus in that area in this discussion.Montco 22:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Per numerous articles about him in major newspapers and sports magazines. The stub can easily be expanded. Per the Star Telegram [1] he had an 0.21 ERA senior year, and pitched a shutout against the Cuban team playing for the US Junior National Team as a senior. Baseball America named him the best 16 year old pitcher. Per [2] he had a 96 mph fastball. If the article is deleted, a more substantial one could certainly be created later if the expectation of the sports writers and the team which drafted him bear fruit. Edison 22:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete related page per above, Delte/Transwiki to ArmchairGM I'm a contributor to ArmchairGM and an Admin there, and am sure the community there will want it. The article is non-notable for Wikipedia's standards though --
False Prophet 20:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)(vote updated) False Prophet 21:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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