Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bucket and spade (2nd nomination)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. »ctails! =hello?=« 21:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Previously deleted article, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bucket and spade. Still not notable. If this AfD succeeds, I'd suggest protecting the article after deleting it. Valrith 21:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete contains nothing but a restatement of the title followed by common knowledge. But we probably could have an article on seaside paraphernalia. Just zis Guy you know? 21:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as immensely silly. Dev920 21:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Traditional UK seaside emblem. It shouldn't beyond us to make a decent encyclopedic article for this topic. Catchpole 21:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. It's a bucket. And a spade. Some might call them a pail and shovel. That's it. Do we also need an article on "Ham and Eggs" because it's a traditional breakfast? Fan-1967 22:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Ham and eggs isn't a breakfast food where I come from. But wikipedia doesn't like recipes so I won't pursue it. Now schools on the other hand..... Catchpole 22:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, it's also a 1901 film, a scouting song, a parable about involvement and commitment, and a game ... ☺ Uncle G 01:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - a popular toy that's been around for a long time and symbolizes a kid's trip to the beach. Just as popular and deserving of an article as the Slinky. --Daniel Olsen 22:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "Bucket and spade" gets 75,000 Ghits. "Pail and shovel" gets 188,000 Ghits. How can you claim this isn't notable? --Daniel Olsen 22:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Counting Google hits isn't research. One has to actually read the web pages that Google locates. In your Google search did you find anything at all that discusses buckets and spades? Looking at the first 40 results, which included people selling mugs with pictures of buckets and spades I didn't find anything actually written about buckets and spades. And the external links in this article are to an unadorned picture and to an article that is actually about British seaside holidays, which we already have an article on. So ... What sources do you propose that editors build an encyclopaedia article about buckets and spades from? Uncle G 01:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "Bucket and spade" gets 75,000 Ghits. "Pail and shovel" gets 188,000 Ghits. How can you claim this isn't notable? --Daniel Olsen 22:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep though I would support a move to Pail and shovel and a rewrite, since the article oddly is written as though such things only exist in the UK. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- As above: What sources do you propose be used for this rewrite? Uncle G 01:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- A quick Google books search shows references (to "pail and shovel") in books from such diverse sources as Dorothy L. Sayers, Jerry Seinfeld, Bodie Thoene, Jose Marti, F Scott Fitzgerald, and The Complete Idiot's Guide to Being Sexy. Hell, sand pails even have their own encyclopedia. Think I'm joking? Sand Pail Encyclopedia: A Complete Value Guide for Tin-Litho Sand Toys ISBN 0875886213. Sourcing is not a problem. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 06:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Sand Pail Encyclopedia appears to be about collectibles, and is not about "bucket and spade". And books/comics all refer to common items that are not worthy of an encyclopedia article. Sourcing appears to be a problem to me. Valrith 20:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, it's about the older tin ones as opposed to the plastic ones normally seen today, but it's certainly still the same toy. Here's a link to the Amazon entry for the book, complete with cover picture. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Sand Pail Encyclopedia appears to be about collectibles, and is not about "bucket and spade". And books/comics all refer to common items that are not worthy of an encyclopedia article. Sourcing appears to be a problem to me. Valrith 20:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- A quick Google books search shows references (to "pail and shovel") in books from such diverse sources as Dorothy L. Sayers, Jerry Seinfeld, Bodie Thoene, Jose Marti, F Scott Fitzgerald, and The Complete Idiot's Guide to Being Sexy. Hell, sand pails even have their own encyclopedia. Think I'm joking? Sand Pail Encyclopedia: A Complete Value Guide for Tin-Litho Sand Toys ISBN 0875886213. Sourcing is not a problem. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 06:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- As above: What sources do you propose be used for this rewrite? Uncle G 01:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. It's not just a bucket and a spade, when put together they form a part of our culture. Should mention in the article the "bucket and spade holiday" - the traditional working/lower middle class family holiday within one's own country. Joe D (t) 11:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Certainly a cultural emblem and while it may remain a short article it has validity. There are far dafter article retained in wiki. --Nigel (Talk) 14:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.