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The result was incubate to Wikipedia:Article Incubator/C-Real (band) Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Not notable, not yet released anything other than a video trailer. Fails WP:BAND. Refs are blogs or self promotional - nothing reputable. Velella Velella Talk 13:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Userfy or incubate. A newly-manufactured Korean pop girl group that debuted last month. Has a real media company behind them, but coverage thus far just seems like marketing hype. At best, it is WP:TOOSOON. Let's have the article back if and when group achieves notability. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 14:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Relisting comment: m.o.p 05:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, m.o.p 05:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fails WP:BAND. Note, the link on Billboard does not even mention this band. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 23:09, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Their single "No No No No No" was No. 42 for the month of October, according to Korea's Gaon chart. Getting into the top 100 qualifies as charting, so they've passed criteria No. 2. That seems extremely inclusive. But, hey, that's what the guideline says. Kauffner (talk) 13:59, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Good job finding this data point, but the 2,571 copies sold does not sway me much on notability grounds. I might have expected a large entertainment media company's marketing effort to launch a new pop group to have managed something more substantial, even in the face of complete indifference from the audience. Note: As a non-Korean speaker, I find the Gaon charts difficult to navigate, and they defeat Google Translate--if anyone can find additional charts to improve the case, happy to look again. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 18:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Billboard has a substantial Korean-language profile of the group. They were heavily publicized in October, when they were mentioned 10 times in Chosun. But there has been nothing since. They are not even on the latest charts. So at 16-to-19 years old, it seems that C-Real's moment has already come and gone. Oh, BTW, C-Real stands for "completely real". Kauffner (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Good job finding this data point, but the 2,571 copies sold does not sway me much on notability grounds. I might have expected a large entertainment media company's marketing effort to launch a new pop group to have managed something more substantial, even in the face of complete indifference from the audience. Note: As a non-Korean speaker, I find the Gaon charts difficult to navigate, and they defeat Google Translate--if anyone can find additional charts to improve the case, happy to look again. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 18:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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