Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cancer Bats

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 14:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete band vanity. I speedied this twice, because the band lacks an All Music Guide entry, is not apparently signed with anyone, and gets only 273 unique google hits.[1] I think the article's author is exhibiting good faith persistence with this, however, so I'm giving him a chance to make his case here. (So help me...) Postdlf 01:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Fails WP:MUSIC. Royboycrashfan 01:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete... a third (+) time repost can not get a keep from me unless a very, very good reason is represented. - Eagle^talk 01:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, agree with nom -- Samir (the scope) 01:29, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change to Keep. You guys sold me with the multiple nontrivial published works. Sheepishly living in TO, I haven't heard of them. -- Samir (the scope) 01:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as non-notable band, fails WP:Music, already speedily deleted two times --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and protect per nom. --DMG413 01:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:MUSIC. Rockpocket 01:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• After reading through WP:MUSIC I have discovered a reason to keep this page as is, they have been on tour throughout the Northeastern US and Canada, and have recieved coverage on a major music television station. Both reasons are stated in the article. For those 2 reasons I argue to keep this page.Avenged Evanfold 02:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Its not like they're the local high school band, I'm seeing them with Protest the Hero and The Bled on Friday at a major venue in Toronto [2]. Avenged Evanfold 02:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry about posting 3 separate times, probably making myself look stupid. Anyways this link takes you to MuchMusic where Cancer Bats are number 1 on the playlist for the show MuchLoud. [3] Avenged Evanfold 02:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per AE's research. International tours meet WP:MUSIC. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 04:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and Cleanup. The article is POV, but seems to meet WP:MUSIC to me. Lankiveil 11:08, 23 March 2006 (UTC).[reply]
• Keep, clean up; touring schedule clearly satisfies WP:MUSIC. Monicasdude 14:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, WP:MUSIC says: Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country[1], reported in notable and verifiable sources. - where are the verifiable and notable sources? The other criteria are clearly not satisifed; one self-released (demo) album, no gold records, no charted records, no Allmusic guide entry, no evodence of coverage in reliable sources. And a Myspace page. Just zis Guy you know? 15:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  Response. [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. Not terribly high-profile, but certainly verifiable. Monicasdude 15:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Splendid. Now ho about some notable and evrifiable sources, since those do not appear to meet WP:RS in respect of touring. Just zis Guy you know? 09:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: per nom. and fails the "If I have to pack my bags and drive to Canada to hear their music, they're not notable" test. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • And which test is this? I know you're somewhat in jest with the "pack my bags and drive to Canada" thing, but they meet one, possibly two, guideline line items. Is that worth nothing? --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 15:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm always skeptical about the touring criteria. So they rented a bus and drove from Montreal to Portland, ME and then to Toronto - that hardly qualifies as a national tour IMHO, let alone an international tour. Any band that lives in Plattsburgh, NY and gets a gig at a bar in Montreal a half-hour away can be said to have been on international tour?! But I'm listening... I'm not completely inflexible on this questionable criteria. To me, the almost-total lack of recorded music speaks much more loudly though. That puts them on the same level as a couple of my cousins. —Wknight94 (talk) 16:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, I'd be in favor of relaxing the touring requirement to regions as opposed to nations, but yes, that's international - they went on a tour and went to multiple nations. It's also not out of the question for tours to be able to help build up the credibility to have the ability to record. Regardless, whatever they've recorded has ended up on MuchMusic, so they're probably at a higher level than your cousins. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 16:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• • • • Response. Okay Ive been fighting for this page but I think i could let it get deleted, for now. I have it saved elsewhere so when they do become bigger, like this summer when their cd is released, and when it does and they go on tour to promote, then I'll just put it back up with the necessary updates.Avenged Evanfold 16:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• When they are on Allmusic, have topped the Indie charts or made a respectable showing in the national mainstream charts, got a gold record, released a couple of albums with a decent-sized label, been covered in the music press, toured as support for a major act - these kinds of things are the indicators that a band is on the way. I wish them luck, it's a tough game. Just zis Guy you know? 16:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Isn't notable enough for an article. Harro5 21:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. So I sing in a coffeehouse in St. Albans, VT on Monday, then I drive over the border and sing in a roadhouse in Venice-au-Quebec on Tuesday. Does that make me an internationally touring performer and therefore notable? If they do put out a CD, and it gets genuine airplay, that changes the deal. RGTraynor 21:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 17:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Eusebeus 17:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They have a proffessionally made 4 track-EP, 2 tracks on their label's (Distort which is the same label as Alexisonfire Summer Compilation) and a proffessionally made 7" record and the video on Muchmusic. . They have t shirts, pins and other merchandise and they play shows with International nown groups. Do you people have any idea how many 1 hit wonders are have their own pages on this site? or useless stubs relating to the useless things nobody needs to know? This isnt the local highschool band, this is real group, leave em alone, whats your problem anyways, get a life and stop trying to delete my pageAvenged Evanfold 21:42, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We are painfully aware of how many insignificant bands have managed to weasel their way into WP, and I would personally encourage you to nominate any you find which do not meet WP:MUSIC, or at least tag them with {music-importance}. But the existence of some articles which do not meet guidelines has never been, for me, a compelling argument for including more. Just zis Guy you know? 09:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So why are you voting delete on this one? --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 12:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The band has a label, it isn't just some kids in their garage. The band also has fans, aka people who may like to research the band, maybe on wikipedia. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF WIKIPEDIA if you havn't forgotten; the only people who want to delete this are haters and people with too much time on their hands, just leave it alone! —This unsigned comment was added by Jerkmonkee (talk • contribs) .
• Delete as non-notable. As well said by JzG and RGTraynor. Ifnord 03:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. — Mar. 29, '06 [06:44] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.