Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Captain SNES (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 14:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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This sprite comic has had two previous AfDs: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Captain SNES: The Game Masta and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Captain SNES. Both resulted in a consensus to delete. It's also been speedily deleted at least twice. I considered speedying it again under CSD G4, but the content isn't identical and it was created by a different contributor. In any case, it doesn't look like it meets WP:WEB, and I can't think of any other compelling reason that would make it notable. –Abe Dashiell ^(t/c) 19:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• This has been listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics/Deletion. –Abe Dashiell ^(t/c) 19:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC) [reply]
• Delete - as above - Hahnchen 01:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as before, and for the same reasons. Salt the earth this time. Just zis Guy you know? 14:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Preserve This comic is notable, with a decent-sized fanbase and a relatively unique plotline. The article needs cleanup and expansion, but CSNES is something important enough to have an article on Wikipedia.Jayofnameless 03:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Perserve For reasons above. Wutasumi 05:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Preserve, with the condition that it has to be cleaned up soon It's important enough for an article, but this article isn't all that good.64.72.87.113
• Preserve Same reasons as above. The comic has gained both readership and chapters since the last time the article was deleted, and now meets (or exceeds) the requirements for inclusion, unless those have changed or the person mentioning them on the comic's forums got them wrong. It meets criteria (3) at minimum: TopWebComics (I believe) lists the comic. The proof¹ is in the "Vote" link, both on the main page and in several forumites' signatures.

¹Fixed typo. Sorry if this note violates some rule, if it does, just delete it. OmegaX123 22:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Moe ε 02:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, doe snot appear to meet WP:WEB. -- Dragonfiend 03:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment If you are going to directly refute a statement made just two spaces above you, you really should say why that is. OmegaX123 stated that from what he can see, it meets requirement three. If you believe that this is not the case, you really should give your reasoning. Also, checking the TopWebComics listings, I found that Captain SNES currently holds slot 47, placing it above Two Lumps in slot 48. 64.72.87.113 03:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Generally, topsites don't count at all when looking for verifiability or as indicators of notability. The reason being, is that rabid fans spam votes, and that actual popular sites ignore them. You can have a look at WP:RS at some guidelines refering to sources if you're interested. - Hahnchen 14:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - The Webcomic List Everything2.com and Comic Alert have all reviewed this comic independantly. OmniRedmage 06:45 1 April 2006
• Comment Thank you 64.72.etc. This is true, on all counts. OmegaX123 08:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Captain SNES is a long runing comic with high production values and a long, well thought out plot. to delete it (again.) would be a waste. if Bob and George can have a page, then a much superior comic like Captain SNES certainly deserves one. Omniredmage 05:53 1 April 2006
• Comment The various "top 100 comic" style lists are not generally considered evidence of notability because they are too vulnerable to ballot stuffing. –Abe Dashiell ^(t/c) 14:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Look at the article again. At least two of the sites in the links are not topsites (don't know about the third), and have reviewed CSNES. Just like OmniRedmage said, might I add? OmegaX123 20:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I feel that Topwebcomics, the top site list that Captain SNES is on, has taken measures to prevent ballot stuffing. I voted today, as I am a fan of Captain SNES, then cleared my cookies and any other evidence that I could that I had voted, then tried to vote again. It did not let me, because the site logs individual IP addresses for ballot stuffing, thus preventing rabid fans from boosting their own sites to the top.--Experimentmonty 01:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Preserve I feel that this article should be kept provided that the article be expanded upon. It is not up to the high standards expected here yet, but it has not been given much time to reach these high standards. This is a high quality comic, and given the chance, this article can be benificial.--Experimentmonty 01:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Are comics like Zebra Girl notable while this is not? I don't get the standards here. This comic has more refrences, and could be kept as fan fiction if nothing else. Spriteless 13:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Zebra Girl is part of Keenspot, it's apparently good enough that people have to pay for it. Have you taken a look at the "references"? They're not references at all, they're topsites and webcomic databases, which each contain links to thousands of webcomics. This isn't a notable website. - Hahnchen 14:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment- Since when do you have to pay for Keenspot? The readers certainly don't, and I've never payed for anything on KeenSpot OR KeenSpace. Are you implying that the more money you spend, the more likely you are to keep a wikipedia article? Who should I pay, you? or should I make the check out to Wiki? Omniredmage 09:23 PM 4 April 2006
      • Comment - Keenspot pays the comic for exclusive rights on the internet. They offer a Keenspot Premium service in which you pay for a better service. You don't choose to be on Keenspot, they choose you. And it's not like I personally think Zebra Girl is notable either, but the community seems to think that anything that has ever apeared Keenspot is inherently notable. Keenspace on the other hand is just a free geocities style host. - Hahnchen 08:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment- I'd like to point out that CSNES.com is being hosted on it's own servers at it's own cost. Without use of free hosting from keenspace. Salamando 09:45 PM 4 April 2006

• Delete per nom. - FrancisTyers 14:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete per nom, non notable, previous votes, (is this a joke?) Tony Bruguier 13:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.