Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cataclysm (Dragonlance)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The consensus is to merge, but people can't seem to agree on the target. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cataclysm (Dragonlance) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

This is a plot element in Dragonlance. It has no notability outside of that fictional universe. The article is written from an entirely in-universe perspective and makes no attempt to assert any notability in the real-world. This violates WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:WAF. You can find a more detailed summary of the relevant policy here. Savidan 20:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as an apparently notable spinout of Dragonlance or, failing that, merge the content back into an appropriate dragonlance article in the process of cleanup. Jclemens (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. —Jclemens (talk) 21:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and improve. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge per Jclemens. Rather than repeat myself, assume I feel the same way about all the Dragonlance and other articles nominated here. BOZ (talk) 22:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable fictional event found in Dragonlance books, games, cartoons, and comics. Dream Focus 23:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into Dragonlance timeline. This seems to be important enough to the game world even if it isn't really well sourced or out-of-universe, so a merge seems like the best solution to me unless more, reliable, sources can be found to firmly establish notability. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 03:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into Dragonlance timeline. With no out-of-universe context, the information in the article serves just as well in Dragonlance timeline as it does in its own article. McJeff (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change to Weak Keep - On further reflection, the event The Cataclysm isn't just notable to the timeline, but integral to it. Worth a spin-out. McJeff (talk) 05:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge or Delete as this unsourced article contravenes basic Wikipedia policies for article content, as it is comprised unverifiable original research that is all plot summary. There is no evidence to suggest that the Cataclysm is in any way a notable event in the fictional canon of Dragonlance, and arguements based on subjective judgement that this articles should be kept fail to address the issue that it does contain any encyclopedic coverage at all.--Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 07:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Probably merge as Drilnoth recommended. The cataclysm is not a minor plot element as a trilogy of books (Kingpriest trilogy) and an anthology of short stories covers it, and several other novels (including the original War of the Lance trilogy) have the cataclysm as an important if past event. Would vote to keep it if coverage were beyond plot, but at any rate it is such a significant part of the Dragonlance universe that deletion is a too drastic step. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Time of the Twins. I call contributors' attention to the AfD nomination of Blood War, which has attached to it nominations for deletion of the Dragonlance articles Lost Wars, War of the Lance, Dwarfgate Wars, Chaos War, and Blue Lady's War. Anarchangel (talk) 08:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.