Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catholic-Hierarchy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Catholic Church hierarchy. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-12-27 05:47Z

Catholic-Hierarchy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I created this article. The Catholic-hierarchy.org website is a very useful, and, as far as I can tell, reliable, resource for data on Roman Catholic ecclesiastical organisation and for biographical information on the higher-ranking clergy. This article is internally linked from a number of different Wikipedia articles, including Pope Benedict XVI. Some more pages link directly to the website. And I am pretty sure it would be useful as a source for many additional articles.

Now an anon has tagged it with {{db-web}}. I don't think a useful quality resource such as this should be treated the same as some random ephemeral forum for teenagers, just as we don't (or shouldn't) treat academic journals the same as Barbara Cartland novels. On the other hand, I can't quickly find any good third-party references. I would be grateful for some help with that. Is it really possible that nobody has written about this database? In case no references can be found, I would suggest keeping it and moving it to project space, as it remains a useful resource that Wikipedia editors should know about. U◦p◦p◦l◦a◦n◦d 08:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep' This is an extremely accurate, up to date, reource on the heriarchy of the Catholic church throughout the world. It is used by many dioceses as a reference when the Official Catholic Directory may be slightly out of date. SkierRMH 09:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a good reason for having an external link to it in Catholic church hierarchy#External_links, not a reason for it having an article itself. Indeed, pretty much all of the current contents of this article are little more than summary information that would annotate that external link. WP:WEB is for determining whether something should have an article in its own right, and the fact that a book or a web site is a useful source for information used to build other articles doesn't mean that that book or web site should have an article in its own right. It just means that it should be cited in the "References" or "Further reading" sections of the subjects for which it is a source. Uncle G 09:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Speed keep per user:Uncle GRaveenS 14:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  If you'll read his comment, you'll see it actually is a refutation of another poster's "keep." JChap2007 02:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. By all mean keep it as an external link in the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy article. It sounds like a useful website compiling historical data. But the question is, as a website, does it deserve a separate article? Given that this appears to be one man's compilation as a labour of love, I am not convinced that it has the kind of staying power as a resource to make it worthy of an article. - Smerdis of Tlön 16:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. All we could say is 'hey it's a useful (useful is POV) website'. Short of listing its contents (which you can get by clicking on it) what could we say? Has it had any notable influence, impact, controversy, media comment? --Sandy Scott 17:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: OK, I have added the text from this page as annotation to the external links of the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy article, which is probably the best solution. This article can probably be deleted (as most of the content was by me to begin with) or just speedily redirected there. U◦p◦p◦l◦a◦n◦d 18:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Good solution! Thanks. -- Bpmullins | Talk 21:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:WEB, as there are no non-trivial mentions of it in reliable sources. This website is linked from multiple Wikipedia articles, but eliminating the article on the website itself will not change that. Also, WP:ILIKEIT is not a reason to keep. JChap2007 02:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect At this point, we actually have more content in the Catholic Church hierarchy article than we do here. GRBerry 02:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or redirect. As much as I like the site, and as often as I use it to work on Catholic hierarcy articles here, the website itself does seem to fail WP:WEB in terms of rating an article all on its own. Argyriou (talk) 20:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.