Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Ray (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Little Manhattan. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme (talk) 04:16, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Ray

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With only one significant acting role (I can't find any evidence that she actually starred in an ensemble of "Pippin"), no awards or nominations, no major fan base (except for hardcore Little Manhattan fans), and no evidence of contributing or influencing the entertainment industry in any way, Charlie Ray fails both WP:NACTOR and WP:ANYBIO. The first AfD five years ago ended in Keep only because editors voted that due to the popularity of Little Manhattan. I do not know what the notability guidelines were back then, but to say an actress is notable just because she starred in a notable film violates WP:NOTINHERITED. Just because a film is popular does not mean the actors are The Legendary Ranger (talk) 14:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:56, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I vote that the article stay in place. Wikipedia's guidelines do not require that an actor be in dozens of films or other media projects in order to qualify. It simply requires that the article be about someone notable. As to rather or not everyone would consider her notable, my research shows that she has had a lead role in a major motion picture "Little Manhattan". Further, she has appeared in episodes of Law and Order:SVU and in "Company Town", which is a television movie. These where sourced from her IMDB page. She also appeared on an episode of the Tony Danza show. All of these facts, combined with the fact that her having an article is not hurting anyone else and could, possibly, provide some research ability in the future leaves me no choice but to vote for KEEP. Lance ^Lance. 03:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ With respects to TLR, he is mis-interpreting the essay WP:INHERITED. I urge he study the applicable guidelines WP:NTEMP and WP:ENT. Participation in and positive response of a notable project in multiple reliable sources does indeed show a meeting of WP:N with no "violation" of an essay, and has nothing to do with "popularity". Also brought up at the last AFD is that Ms. Ray and her role in Little Manhattan was discussed in varying degrees of detail in such as TV Guide and other reliable sources offered by Metacitic. If the nom is instead implying that her career has not been as full as someone like Drew Barrymore, then yes we could infer that as true... but we do not require nor demand that an actor MUST be in dozens of projects before we can find or assert notability... nor do we judge by the least of roles but instead by the best. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Little Manhattan. WP:ENTsays "multiple notable films ...". I'm not even sure Little Manhattan counts as one/notable. Certainly there are not two. No media coverage that I can find. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:28, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Clarityfiend, as what coverage that is available (offered above) is for her role in that film. I agree with his analysis and have struck my "keep". Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:43, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Clarityfiend. The redirect can be turned into an article again later if she becomes more clearly notable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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