Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chima Simone Benson

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect without deletion to preserve article history. GlassCobra 15:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chima Simone Benson

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She was a contestant that got expelled with little notability outside of that. It doesn't warrant an entire article. –túrian^patois 20:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but her expulsion was a major news story. She was also notable for her rape by a famous serial killer. Her expulsion, not to mention her other controversial statements and actions got her more coverage than many other contestants with pages; take Sheila Kennedy,Brittany Petros,Erika Landin,Nicole Nilson Schaffrich, and Jason Guy as just a few examples of much less notable contestants. With so much news coverage, how is she not notable? Landonjgsu (talk) 23:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stop saying major. She is a one hit wonder in terms of publicity. –túrian^patois 23:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot agree with your opinion Túrian. Calling this article a one hit wonder is ridiculous. It was a multiple hit wonder at the very least. The article itself has a plethora of information that is well cited. This article is definitely more meaty than the other contestant's articles. I vote for it to stay. Not to mention, "Notability is not temporary: a topic needs to have had sufficient coverage in reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline, but it does not need to have ongoing coverage from news sources." wikipedia:notability --GSouthern Force (talk) 00:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article also has a 'plethora' of unsourced information based on claims that she made during the series. On that same notability template that you linked to, it says: "it takes more than just a short burst of news reports about a single event or topic to constitute sufficient evidence of notability – particularly for living individuals known for one event." Wikipedia:Notability That's exactly what this was - a short burst of coverage in reality TV circles. Mkubica (talk) 02:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I looked through and found one claim that was uncited. It is now cited. Any other "claim" was mentioned on the episodes and cited through an episode recap. Landonjgsu (talk) 02:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, the citations at the ends of sections made me think that the earlier claims weren't being referenced. But do you have any comment on the quotation from the notability template? It seems to fit this article perfectly. Heck, I'll even throw in another: "Another issue arises when an individual plays a major role in a minor event. In this case, it is not generally appropriate to have an article on both the person and the event." Mkubica (talk) 02:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Benson had an episode of Cold Case portrayed after her. There were major news articles. Since she had involvement in, not one, but two television shows (Which are NATIONAL); I believe the article should stay. It needs its own page because it is about her and not about Big Brother 11. There is more to this woman than just her getting kicked off of a television show, and her story being portrayed in another television show proves this.--GSouthern Force (talk) 23:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Deletion: This article is completely unencyclopedic and, even now, the subject is losing notability (not to mention the complete lack of historical importance). Fans of the show may feel passionate about their favourite "house guests," but now that her 15-minutes of fame is over, I suspect that this article will be abandoned. I thoroughly support its deletion. Mkubica (talk) 02:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using the Google News Search feature at the top of this page, if you type in "Chima Simone", the first page includes three articles about events that happened to her. For proof: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Chima+Simone+&btnG=Search+Archives&scoring=a Landonjgsu (talk) 01:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that this person is very notable due to her antics on national TV and no that information is not covered adequately elsewhere. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a full article that was so well written and with such full citations. 141.165.189.88 (talk) 02:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:1E. And no, being raped does not constitute as an event. She is known for being a member of Big Brother that misbehaved. So what? Her information is already covered elsewhere. –túrian^patois 01:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect. There is nothing here that isn't already covered in the List of Big Brother 11 contestants. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not notable. Jim Carmel (talk) 21:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Benson has multiple claims to being notable. It's true that being a rape victim does not make someone notable, but leading the police to the criminal and assisting his prosecution IS notable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.165.43.171 (talk • contribs)

She knew her rapist. Big whoop. –túrian^patois 17:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think Turian should recuse himself from any further participation on this discussion on the grounds that he has been extremely uncivil and is obviously not objective on the subject. 141.165.43.238 (talk) 16:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to ~~life~~ wikipedia. I believe all Turain's comments have been on topic. You may not agree with them, but they are on topic. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think Turian's comment was at best extremely insensitive. Ms. Benson did not know her rapist. She was attacked in the middle of the night by a stranger, raped, and beaten into submission (to the point of requiring two facial reconstruction surgeries). No big whoop. Landonjgsu (talk) 02:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the user above Turian. Being a rape victim doesn't qualify as notable, but being the victim of a famous rapist and having your story told on Cold Case Files does. In addition, I have added some new information to the "After Big Brother" Section of the article. I also ask that everyone interested in this topic look at the Discussion page on the article. Thanks! Landonjgsu (talk) 01:31, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Big Brother 11 HouseGuests (U.S.)#Chima and preserve the history of this article under the redirect Chima Simone Benson has not received enough coverage to satisfy WP:BIO. Her participation in Big Brother 11 counts as WP:BLP1E. Being a rape victim does not establish notability; see Wikipedia:Notability (criminal acts)#Victims: As such, a victim of a crime should normally only be the subject of an article where an article that satisfied notability criteria existed, or could have properly been created prior to the crime's commission. Benson failed WP:GNG before the rape, so she is not notable.
The history of this article should be preserved so that interested editors can complete a merge to List of Big Brother 11 HouseGuests (U.S.)#Chima. Cunard (talk) 06:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.