Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crowlees Junior and Infant School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. W.marsh 14:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crowlees Junior and Infant School

A non-notable primary school, a least as far as my internet searching skills can reach. SolidPlaid 05:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. —Chris 08:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails to assert importance / notability. - Rjd0060 15:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Greatly improved! Well done, TerriersFan. -Rjd0060 02:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete as it fails to assert notability. CRGreathouse (t | c) 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tried that on other schools, they wouldn't. SolidPlaid 21:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Being graded first class by Ofsted is not notable.--Victor falk 22:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I doubt that you will find another school in the country where not only is the overall assessment outstanding but every component of the inspection is also outstanding - now that's notable :-) TerriersFan 02:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Being rated 'Outstanding' by Ofsted is a very rare eventuality and shows clear notability. TerriersFan 18:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
'Delete as nn school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eusebeus (talk • contribs) 22:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable school. Keb25 22:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - please note that this is a discussion not a vote. Consequently, those indicating 'delete' need to address why being rated Outstanding by Ofsted is not notable. TerriersFan 22:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Not necessarily, but feel free to follow the nn link. Eusebeus 02:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Being rated as Grade 1 in every area of inspection by Ofsted is rare, and does give the school at least some notability. ~~I would however accept a merge and re-direct to Mirfield.~~ Camaron1 | Chris 19:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Article now fully establishes notability, thanks to improvements made by TerriersFan, no need to merge. Camaron1 | Chris 15:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Only around 10% of schools in England get an outstanding OFSTED inspection rating. This fact is notable in its own right. Dahliarose 09:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I respectfully disagree; being in the top ten percent of a country's schools is not evidence of notability, especially for a school for such little children. I'm not saying that the other ratings taken together don't confer notability, I'm just saying that being in the top 10% by itself is not enough. SolidPlaid 00:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sure, but I have now sourced Patrick Stewart who attended here - anyone reading about him may well want to find out about his schools. I have just substantially expanded the article and added other sources. TerriersFan 01:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Notabilty is not inherited". Every notable person must have gone to some school. We might as well say "a school in a postal district that ends with '6' gets to have an article in wikipedia"--victor falk 02:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Across very many school AfDs it has been accepted that notable alumni count towards notability; not because of inheritance but because people interested in the notable person are likely to be interested in their schools. However, that is a by the way, this article meets WP:N because of multiple sources and as I say above, it is possibly the only school in the country with an outstanding component in every area of inspection. That goes to the heart of how good the school is. TerriersFan 02:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The argument that a grade school is notable because of its alumni is weak. People don't really become themselves until high school. SolidPlaid 21:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't know what a grade school is but if you mean a primary school then the answer is - it depends on the individual. In this case, and we are not setting precedents but dealing with a specific instance, we have a school that is strong in drama and I have added another sourced link of a further connection. TerriersFan 02:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep there is plenty of room for improvement, but the article as it stands makes and supports claims of notability. Alansohn 18:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The school may now be barely notable. I have problems with some of the individual claims for notability above, so I'm speaking out against them because I don't want them to be precedents for notability. SolidPlaid 22:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A school is either notable or its not so I take your first sentence to be a withdrawal of the nomination? :-) TerriersFan 02:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just not comfortable with top 5% for a stand alone page. The Patrick Stewart thing, maybe. Together, maybe. I dunno. SolidPlaid 02:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Whilst this would normally be a delete vote. I was pleasantly surprised by the article, it asserts its notability, provides very good references (which cannot be said for 90% of school articles) and covers the topic in a basic manner. Twenty Years 15:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.