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The result was keep, with no prejudice against re-nomination should the sources prove insufficient. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Culbann C.P.C (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Claim of notability is based on hosting a prestigious event. There are no independent sources in the article. Rob (talk) 00:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep - appears to be notable, but that notability hasn't been thoroughly established in the article. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 01:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Certainly salvageable. Could assert notability better, but this is not at the point where deletion is warranted. — Jake Wartenberg 02:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete - fails on many levels. It's a shooting club that has been opened for a little more than a decade in a country with shooting clubs going back hundreds of years in a world with thousands of older, more notable shooting clubs. It seems that the creator of this article also has some serious COI issues: [1]. This article seems to be an advertisement for his club from which he stands to gain financially. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 20:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- keep This article may not be in depth at this current time, but the intention is to so-call "beef" it up. Im not relatively experienced at wikipedia myself so thats why i reached out to the firearms project for information on how to include more information on the article, maybe other things not associated with the events but also other things that we have done as for instance we are hosting CPSA certified safety officers courses for the clay shooters of northern ireland to become fully qualified safety officers. In 2011 we will be hosting the home internationals and british open again. we are lobbying to host the european championships and world championships sometime in the future and therefore will be again the first clay shooting range in northern ireland to host these events for the discipline of DTL. This is the only external source i can find after doing a quick google search proof of the event, this is a report on the WCTSA (welsh clay target assoc.) website from the event held in culbann http://www.wctsa.co.uk/bodtl06.html The event was mostly covered with local print and press including UTV (Ulster Television) news, which ran the piece as a second sport that northern ireland had recently beat england in, the first being the earlier win for northern ireland football against england at windsor park in 2006. 100% of the information of the article is true and fair, and from my own knowledge as i am the son of the founder, current treasurer and have also been working on the shooting range for 11 years, since I was 11 years of age. In reply to Nukes4tots, there is nothing more than what i can say to you is that i do not in anyway stand to gain financially from this, it is not intended as an advertisement, as this club is ran in a not for profit manner. all money gained through activities is put back within the club and it is the sole reason that we are the premier facility in northern ireland for DTL as we do not withdraw the money but rather keeping putting money into improvements. I know of 0 shooting clubs within northern ireland that are notable and are anywhere near 100 years old. There are NOT 1000's of clubs as the UCPSA (governing body for clay shooting public and clubs) only have around 50 clubs registered. At the time i created this page, i also created the individual page for DTL and also i am trying to start a page for the UCPSA, as i believe this discipline within wikipedia and clay shooting within northern ireland is poorly represented. I thank you for reading this, i will take constructive criticism here in reply or in my talk page, but please give me time to reply as wikipedia isnt a daily visit to me, and also today (20th) is my 22nd birthday so you would appreciate that i probably will not be near an internet access point and duly so as i may be extremely intoxicated if not just a little. --Weeman com (talk) 23:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Would you agree that most information you've added, or could add in the future, would come from your direct personal knowledge, and isn't something we can read in a third party source (such as a newspaper or magazine)? --Rob (talk) 00:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The information retaining to the Home International, British Open or any other prestigious event would be highly documented within the CPSA's own "PULL!" magazine printed by Blaze publications in england. The information would not be put into the article until it was known to be official. Also the PULL! magazine had a notary article a month before the event about the extreme renovations that took place at Culbann C.P.C before the event. I can try to find the magazines as im sure ive kept them, but i dont think there are any scans or online copies kept anywhere on the interent. This is a link to the publication of which i am referring, http://www.bournepublishinggroup.com/virtualmag_pull.html I also think that the club has retained snippits from local newspapers about the events held at the ground, but also online i found an article held at a pay recall service about culbann cpc and our involvement in supporting the Young Farmers Assoc. in Northern Ireland. But this is not relevant to the article, unless you reach a consensus that it could be. Also i have a deviation from directly quoting from publications as im doing a degree and you know how they react to plagiarism within works submitted. --Weeman com (talk) 00:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ohh yeah i also forgot it was also covered in the Clay Shooting magazine, Irish Shooters Digest, Irish Country Sports and Country Life as well as a local publication called Smokin'Clays. --Weeman com (talk) 15:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The information retaining to the Home International, British Open or any other prestigious event would be highly documented within the CPSA's own "PULL!" magazine printed by Blaze publications in england. The information would not be put into the article until it was known to be official. Also the PULL! magazine had a notary article a month before the event about the extreme renovations that took place at Culbann C.P.C before the event. I can try to find the magazines as im sure ive kept them, but i dont think there are any scans or online copies kept anywhere on the interent. This is a link to the publication of which i am referring, http://www.bournepublishinggroup.com/virtualmag_pull.html I also think that the club has retained snippits from local newspapers about the events held at the ground, but also online i found an article held at a pay recall service about culbann cpc and our involvement in supporting the Young Farmers Assoc. in Northern Ireland. But this is not relevant to the article, unless you reach a consensus that it could be. Also i have a deviation from directly quoting from publications as im doing a degree and you know how they react to plagiarism within works submitted. --Weeman com (talk) 00:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Would you agree that most information you've added, or could add in the future, would come from your direct personal knowledge, and isn't something we can read in a third party source (such as a newspaper or magazine)? --Rob (talk) 00:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep: The fact that it hosted an international event is past the threshold for notability. Needs references and expansion though, including an infobox. Ask for an expert review on the topic using the {{expert}} tag too, it'd probably be beneficial. TomCat4680 (talk) 00:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, appears to fail WP:ORG based on the lack of third-party sources. Stifle (talk) 08:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per sources available for proper citing. [2],[3]. Needing them is a concern, but not a reason for deletion if available. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for now The creator seems able/prepared to add some sources. So, I think they should be given some time, and this can be re-AFD'd if they're not sufficient. --Rob (talk) 20:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. The lede needs to preview the 2006 and 2011 events - a sentence or two would be fine. And sourcing should be added asap. They do seem to add up though. -- Banjeboi 23:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please give me some time to find my magazines, my dad yesterday had major surgery and he probably knows where they are or very least the newspaper cut outs. I have 100's of magazines in the attic and about another 100 on the shooting ground for people to read so they could be in any one place. I will try and find them as fast as i possibly can. please be patient. thank youWeeman com (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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