Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dish Network Channel Grid

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep or merge to List of Dish Network channels. Whether this article is kept or merged is a debate that can be held outside of AfD. Deathphoenix ʕ 19:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not TV Guide. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 01:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but make it more like List of DirecTV channels which is better written, gives context and not just a list as Dish Network Channel Grid. TV Newser 02:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I change my vote to Merge with List of Dish Network channels. TV Newser 07:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - if one does that, though, isn't it redundant? --Dennisthe2 04:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not redundant. One list is for DirecTV and the other is for Dish Network. 71.195.240.16 06:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and my comment (above). --Dennisthe2 04:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect' to List of DirecTV channels; having two formatted-differently but otherwise identical articles is a bad idea. Alternatively, simply delete. --MCB 05:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • See my comment above; they are for two different providers 71.195.240.16 06:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Redirect per Dennisthe2. 1ne 06:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Per TV Newser EnsRedShirt 07:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete - violates WP:NOT. [1] --Ineffable3000 07:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nominator. JIP | Talk 12:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/Merge. Channel lineups change. Anomo 16:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Presidents change too. Should we delete President of the United States because it will have to change in a couple years? (OHH, SNAP!) Wavy G 03:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and Ineffable3000. --Aaron 22:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. —Jared Hunt September 24, 2006, 23:10 (UTC)
• DirecTV list and Dish Network lists are NOT the same, as someone incorrectly noted. Thus, if a list of DirecTV channels is good, then a Dish Network list is also fine. If one is deleted, both should be. The problem is the can of worms being opened up if they are kept, because one could then argue that a listing of any cable systems line-up would also be relevant. I'd delete both listings, but I would replace with a thorough listing of cable channels available on a nationwide basis in the U.S. That list could easily include the Dish Network and/or DirecTV channels (if applicable). Indeed, a channel's inclusion on one of these systems (or Comcast) would serve as excellent criteria for inclusion on this comprehensive channel listing. Goeverywhere 02:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I agree with the both or none argument. I also don't have a problem with combining both into one complete grid, that can also include cable systems. Though there is one problem with that.. While DirecTV and Dish Network are both national satelite providers (With the same channel numbers no matter where your at in the country), Comcast, Time Warner Cable, and other cable providers are still very regional with channel numbers that vary from city to city. I think it will be a useful list, but impossible to control on the Cable side. EnsRedShirt 03:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Could be useful reference to someone looking up what channel something's on. Wavy G 03:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I have DISH, and can think of times such a list would be useful. Merge, per user:Mbcossette's comments below. Also, as someone above noted, DISH and DirecTV aren't the same company, so redirecting is a bad idea, akin to redirecting FOX to CBS. Firsfron of Ronchester 07:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: There is already a List of Dish Network channels. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 00:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: That list was created just a few hours ago, possibly in response to this AfD. Firsfron of Ronchester 01:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I also have a source we can use to contribute to this grid: dishchannelchart.com. myTrackerTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 14:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Seems useful and verifiable. OBILI ® ± 14:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Interesting information regarding the numbering schemes etc Aika 15:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge I wrote this article. I felt that since DirecTV, Sirius Radio, and XM all had channel guides, so should Dish Network. Someone copied the entire article verbatem and revamped the List of Dish Network channels. The list originally just listed the stations in two or three columns with no channel numbers, which in my mind is the reason to have a list. Since the AfD I have updated the Grid, bringing the channel names up to date and have even re-copied my work over to the List of Dish Network channels. I am planning to add more information. I've already put in about 12 hours into this project and I'm still learning the finer parts of the Wikipedia coding. I feel that if someone wants to put their cable listings up as well, they should be able to. Wikipedia isn't a TV guide, but it is a reference tool. If someone is thinking about getting cable or satellite TV, Wikipedia should be the ultimate source of information about all your options. Mbcossette 21:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with List of Dish Network channels. --Caldorwards4 02:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to List of Dish Network channels and do not keep. Article names for similar article should follow a common form and format. Also the author supports the delete and we don't lose any information by doing a delete or merge. Vegaswikian 22:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per OBILI --Bill.matthews 02:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.