Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donkey the First

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sandstein 17:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Donkey the First

It's a self published book. It is listed on Amazon, and was ranked highly on their UK fantasy series listing when I looked, but I'm not sure how that ranking is derived. I can't source any reviews for it. It's a potential G11 but I'm never sure how far that CSD stretches, hence listing here. Hiding T 22:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC) Hiding T 22:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. It has not received any coverage, the author is NN himself and it also doesn't meet any other criteria of WP:NB. Gunnar Hendrich (talk) 08:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The author is unnotable and so is this book. Its not a bestseller. The author's article has been AfD too. Artene50 (talk) 09:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete On Google, no out-of-WP results for "donkey the first" "David Peter Heyman", and two WP results, two shopping results, one local newspaper, and a post on a mailing list by the subject's father for "donkey the first" "David Peter Heyman". Clear case of non-notability for a modern creation. --Raijinili (talk) 19:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Technically non-notability is not a speedy criteria, and A7 does not apply to books. Given that we can bounce between WP:IAR, WP:CSD, WP:DRV and here, I figure it is better just to get it done right rather than get it done fast. YMMV, and I'm happy for it to be closed speedily, but I'd rather not end up going through all the bureaucratic hoops we supposedly do WP:NOT have. Hiding T 19:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Okay. --Raijinili (talk) 20:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While it is remotely possible a self-published book could be notable, there's no indication this one is. Edward321 (talk) 00:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - Amazon rankings are due to sales by the hour, book is selling well both in uk and usa. Reviews are available from www.thesprout.co.uk and can be found on amazon.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquilis (talk • contribs) 21:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Sprout: The only article I found on the site for the book (searching Heyman and Donkey the First separately) was the article announcing the book, and I just discovered that the article was most likely written by the author of the book himself (it was by a Dheyman). Amazon customer reviews are usually not reliable sources because we can't prove that they're notable reviewers, and I don't think they're used as reliable sources at all on Wikipedia. I would prefer to keep the article (and expand Wikipedia), but as Wikipedia is now, it fails notability. Would the sales make it notable? --Raijinili (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:BK. No significant coverage anywhere. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 16:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:BK, no reliable sources to establish notability. --Captain-tucker (talk) 01:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Response to comment the sprout article was submitted by the author, however they do edit all articles before acceptance meaning that any false information would not have been accepted onto the site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquilis (talk • contribs) 10:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response It's not a problem of fact-checking, it's about a conflict of interest in how notable the book is. --Raijinili (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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