Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E3 2023

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Greshthegreat (talk) 05:02, 1 April 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

E3 2023

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Event did not occur, and thus does not meet notability. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 March 31. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 01:47, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

However, The seeming end of E3 is the signal of a massive shift in the gaming industry due to the fact developers and manufacturers all have their own conferences. 184.180.10.2 (talk) 02:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The yearly hype around E3 makes this still a notable event, and as stated above, the event being cancelled for a second year in a row marks a shift in the gaming industry as we currently know it. MauveDash (talk) 03:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree wtih the previous comments. A planned event not happening does not mean the article is no longer notable; for example, the page for the Morgenthau Plan is still available despite it having not happened. This event is especially notable because it is a major international conference in the gaming industry, and numerous gaming news outlets have covered its planning and cancellation. Also, previous E3 events have been cancelled and the pages for those events have been retained without discussion, so I believe this page should also be retained based on precedent. ByteMega (talk) 03:21, 31 March 2023

Keep the last cancelled event was E3 2020, and it was kept anyway. Yes, end of an era, which if anything makes this more notable than typical cancelled events. E3 2024 probably would not need creating though. Juxlos (talk) 03:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. DecafPotato (talk) 03:53, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I'd argue that even in its cancellation, it's still receiving coverage (randomly pulled examples, including [1], [2]). It's a cultural touchstone and its cancellation could make for a very interesting article with already existing sources if someone was up for expanding it. Nomader (talk) 04:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Nomader (talk) 04:10, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "Didn't happen" is not a policy based argument for deletion. If it was notable last week, and then surprising news was covered by major sources, surely its notability could not have decreased. ApLundell (talk) 04:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – No reason it can't be summarised on the E3 article. --Pokelova (talk) 05:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The cancellation of this event isn't like E3 2022 where it was just another event being pulled casually, this one has been both getting alot of coverage leading up and after cancellation because of the bigger notability of what this means for E3 and the gaming world. - K-popguardian (talk) 05:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. --Wow (talk) 07:20, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unlike E3 2020, where everything was set in place and then cancelled in the last "minute", there was never really anything big announced for 2023. Any after-effects of the cancellation can and should be covered in the main article, as it affects E3 and not (really) this year's plans, as there really weren't any to begin with. – sgeureka ^t•c 08:03, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added: This is not about (lack of) notability, but about the amount of 2023-specific stuff to say. "Yes, the 2023 event was planned, but no one wanted to participate, no one else pre-announced anything, then the event was cancelled, bye" is not a good basis for an article. – sgeureka ^t•c

@Sgeureka: I'd argue that per the consensus established at the planned presidential transition of Mitt Romney AfD back in 2016 (where I ironically argued to redirect and disagree with today), "That something didn't happen doesn't mean it isn't notable, and this is clearly a well-documented topic." So it is with this one. Nomader (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Similar to E3 2020, it's notable despite its cancellation. There was significant coverage of the event up to when it was cancelled. The rationale makes no sense in light of the existence of E3 2020. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:23, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The delete votes above argue that it can be covered in the main article. If it is not kept, then a merge would be preferable to deletion. Why? I Ask (talk) 10:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with E3: Whilst the nomination is flawed (we don't delete simply because something didn't happen), I don't see the above certifications that there was plenty of coverage about this event. Citations talk about E3 not putting on a show; which I don't see how it is indepently notable from the main E3 article, and could be summarised in a paragraph. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTPAPER - the other E3's have a page and got significant coverage, this E3 clearly got significant coverage in the months-long run up to its cancellation, the only real reason to merge is some notion about preserving space that is not relevant in a digital encyclopedia. It ultimately doesn't really matter if it didn't happen, because for a while there was serious and legitimate preparation for it as an event. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:48, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Ironically, it cancellation will probably create more coverage about the event itself (and not just the things announced at it) than most years. Sergecross73 msg me 12:23, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The cancellation was very notable. "It didn't happen" is not a valid deletion rationale, per ATA. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Notability is not temporary. Even if a notable event is cancelled, it is still notable. looking at the already existing sources, this event definitely meets WP:EVENT as most of the sources are independent and reliable. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 16:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A poor reason by nominator. Just because the event has been cancelled doesn't dismiss the article's notability with the significant coverage this E3 got leading up the event and it's eventual cancellation, as well any possible significant post-cancellation coverage. TheDeviantPro (talk) 04:35, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.