Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elwalid Succariyeh

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The result was keep. Courcelles 00:14, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elwalid Succariyeh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Lebanese politician, good faith google search did not find any mentions that were not mirrors of this site. Drdisque (talk) 06:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete potential hoax (you would expect an arabic WP article to exist), nothing in gnews and google finds mirrors. may be his name is spelt incorrectly? LibStar (talk) 13:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lebanon-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:V, per LibStar, above. Ray^Talk 16:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strike my !vote, per Phil Bridger's efforts on Gtranslate. Sourcing will remain highly problematic for this article, but our notability criteria are met. Ray^Talk 16:18, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Passes WP:POLITICIAN as a member of a national legislature, as listed by the Lebanese parliament web site. He's fourth from bottom in the left-hand column (وليد محمد سكرية), rather quaintly translated by Google as "Walid Muhammad sugar". Phil Bridger (talk) 15:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- -- Cirt (talk) 05:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - loads of references under Walid Succariyeh. People who have no idea about alternative transcriptions and renderings of non-English/non-Roman alphabet names should exercise a bit of self-discipline when tempted to nominate for deletion. They might contemplate the generic issue of waste of time and effort and loss of goodwill at Wikipedia. Opbeith (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, he's listed as a Member of the 2009-2013 Lebanese Parliament under the full name Elwalid Succariyeh - the next hit on WP if you key in the surname Succariyeh. Surely this could have been checked before nominating for deletion? I know Wikipedia entries can't be cited in reference, but Wikipedia doesn't exclude the use of common sense as a starting point. Opbeith (talk) 21:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I did notice that page. You are assuming bad faith. I made a good faith effort to find sources and could find nothing. Unfortunately, I could find nothing under the name spelling I had and I don't speak Arabic. Since there was no Arabic-language spelling in the article nor Arabic language wp article I was left with no other way to search. Feel free to close this AFD with keep. -Drdisque (talk) 22:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies. So consistently AfDs are made for an article about a person with a foreign name by someone who doesn't know how to look for references under alternatives. It's impossible to chase after them all and I usually keep well away from AfDs precisely because of that, just bumping into the damage later. If a search isn't possible, caution should be the first option. I shouldn't have implied bad faith but I have had enough bruising encounters with editors bent on deletion to be left with limited reserves of patience, so please excuse my short temper. I don't know how to close AfDs (probably for the best as I would almost certainly close all those that I get involved with in Keep, not to some people's satisfaction). Opbeith (talk) 15:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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