- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:09, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Enikeev (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
What is it? No context, no links, no references, no nothing. HJMitchell You rang? 16:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Have a trout. WP:BEFORE requires nominators to make an effort to determine all these things themselves before nominating. You have not shown you made an effort to look it up before nominating. - Mgm|(talk) 12:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - If legitimate, and not a hoax, it can be a worthy history stub, but it really needs at least one reference. I say lets tag it and give it some time to be verified by a reliable source. [1] is a possible source though I can't make sense of it. There's also this book [2] but again I don't know what to do with this. Maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia can help. -- OlEnglish (Talk) 06:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I found the same sources as OlEnglish, nothing more. So the family exists, but that's all we can verify. I tried looking up the general, but got nothing. Fences and windows (talk) 02:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. There's a wealth of sources, given the role of both Temnikov and Murza families of Yenikeevs (unrelated) and their offspring, but most of them in Tatar language, and a few in Russian, so they have no place in American wikipedia. BTW, in an interesting twist, one of these Yenikeys could've been the ancestor of Alexander Kuprin (not to mention countless Yenikeyevs and Kugushevs) (Russian translation of an article in Tatar). NVO (talk) 12:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC) `[reply]
- Comment - The English-language Wikipedia is for articles in English about all notable topics world-wide and from all countries. If sources are available in English, wonderful. If sources are only available in other languages, that's not a problem. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 18:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- In the absence of editors willing and able to dig up those sources it is a problem. No, babelfish won't do. No prospects of improvement - delete. NVO (talk) 22:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for six months or so based on the sources mentioned by OlEnglish and NVO, to see if someone can source the article, probably from non-English sources. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 18:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I'm totally unconvinced. The first two sources are not independent, one forum post references the book, and all it states is that the family name is one of Tatar nobility. Again, the source in Russian merely mentions the name, no detail:[3]. What exactly are we supposed to write an article about? The assertion of abundant sources in Russian/Tatar is at present only an assertion. Please present sources! Fences and windows (talk) 21:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If you haven't guessed it, "ENIC" mentioned in the "translated" title and further down the text is the original Turkic name discussed here. Amirkhan Eniki (Tatar: Амирхан Еники, Russian: Амирхан Еникеев), the title subject, was a Tatar writer and translator (1909-2001) of the Yenikey lineage. He's a sort of icon among Tatar literati. NVO (talk) 22:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC) Link to his works at googlebooks [4] NVO (talk) 22:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I wasn't aware that Enic and Enikeev were equivalent. If there are sources to the family under variant spellings, list the spellings and give the reliable, secondary sources that cover the family in more than passing. Fences and windows (talk) 19:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If you haven't guessed it, "ENIC" mentioned in the "translated" title and further down the text is the original Turkic name discussed here. Amirkhan Eniki (Tatar: Амирхан Еники, Russian: Амирхан Еникеев), the title subject, was a Tatar writer and translator (1909-2001) of the Yenikey lineage. He's a sort of icon among Tatar literati. NVO (talk) 22:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC) Link to his works at googlebooks [4] NVO (talk) 22:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Article creator claims at User_talk:Natalya#Hi Natalya! I have a question! that it's her own family history that she's personally translated and also that the article exists on Russian Wikipedia. I left a message asking if she could quote the source she translated from or maybe do a transwiki from the Russian Wikipedia article. -- OlEnglish (Talk) 04:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is the Russian article:[5]. Also an unsourced stub. Fences and windows (talk) 19:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Princely families are highly notable. We should start with List of Russian princely families - not too long! -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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