Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eternal Lands (3rd nomination)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 03:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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This game is not notable, with the only sources being first party from its creator, and the games own website (except for one to its own Github page). Under none of Wikipedia's policies should this game ever have been considered notable enough for its own article. According to its own website, the most players that have ever been online simultaneously was under a thousand, and its got virtually 0 coverage from credible sources. Honestly, its astonishing that it has made it through two deletion nominations in the past, with this being its 3rd. Some need to understand that just because you play a niche game, and enjoy it, doesn't mean it is notable enough to warrant its own article. You enjoy it, that's great. You do you, but it shouldn't have its own page just because you like it. Cr@$h3d@t@t@1k t0 m3 02:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I should clarify, I am for voting for delete. Cr@$h3d@t@t@1k t0 m3 02:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Lack of reliable sources. Doing a quick google search shows no reviews from any review aggregator, no reviews from IGN nor any other big game reviewer. Lack of notability aswell. Ray 04:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. —C.Fred (talk) 03:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- I need to do some searching before I can safely say delete, but I can easily say that nothing on the prior two AFDs showed any valid path to meeting the GNG. I can't believe it survived twice in the past with such weak sourcing. Sergecross73 msg me 03:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. No sufficient independent coverage to meet notability. It just reads like a summary. Does not discuss significance, reception, etc, and even if it did, there's no independent sources at all for it.
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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 The website of the game, written by the developer.
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 The website has good information about the game, and is written by the developer.
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The game is addressed in detail as per WP:GNG.
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✘ No | |
| A website directly related to the game and its players.
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Just like Wikipedia, anybody can edit this, and it can have unreliable information.
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The game is addressed in detail as per WP:GNG.
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✘ No | |
| ~ This blog is still active today, and is not related with the game. Seems to be an MMORPG blog though, so still related. | ~ Seems to be news reporting and opinion. | This only details the updates to the game and only gives a brief summary.
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✘ No | |
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- Delete. I took a look at Google Scholar to see if the game has been significant in scholarship on MMOGs as an early example. I did find a few references of it, but only about the cheating that happened in the game, which is discussed in the postmortem and is also referenced in the Wikipedia page Cheating in video games. The scholarship is all in Russian, but that's OK according to WP:NONENG. The scholarly coverage might make the cheating in the game notable, but not the game itself. Probably the coverage in Cheating in video games is sufficient. Lijil (talk) 07:23, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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Bylyeva D.S., Nam T.A. The laws of existence in virtual worlds: construction and violation [1]
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~ A scholarly paper published in a Russian journal, Philosophy and Humanities in Information Society. As far as I can tell (from Google translate and English text in the journal) this is a legitimate scholarly journal, though run by a university not a for-profit mega publisher like Elsevier. This does not mean the journal is not good, but as I can't read Russian I am not 100% sure. | The paper seems decent. It cites the postmortem that is already linked in the article. It discusses the CHEATING that occurred in the game.
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The article does not discuss the game as a whole, but does discuss the cheating where early players had a "get-rich-quick" opportunity, causing conflict between players.
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✘ No |
Mention in book Video Gaming
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Published by Pedia Press, says the book is edited by "Wikipedians"
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Presumably just rehashes whatever's already in Wikipedia so useless for assessing notability.
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rief citation of postmortem, referencing cheating.
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✘ No |
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References
- ^ Sergeevna, Bylyeva Darya; Anatolyevna, Nam Tatyana (2018). "Законы существования в виртуальных мирах: построение и нарушение" [The laws of existence in virtual worlds: construction and violation]. Философия и гуманитарные науки в информационном обществе (Philosophy and the Humanities in the Information Society) (4): 20–28.
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