Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Explosion Fight Night

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Primary concern seems to be failure to establish notability, but discussion includes links to reliable third party sources in French. Probably a good idea to add those to the articles. CBD 17:00, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Explosion Fight Night

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

a non notable sporting competition. gets only 1 gnews hit [1]. and google search just lists promotional listings from affiliated websites. also nominating:

LibStar (talk) 07:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep All of these are notable under WikiProject:Kickboxing. Marty Rockatansky (talk) 07:52, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

there is no notability criteria listed in WIKIPROJECT:KICKBOXING. LibStar (talk) 07:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject:Kickboxing is a starting up project. Its a notable event allright.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 08:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

it does not meet WP:GNG so therefore is not notable. WP:ITSNOTABLE does not count. LibStar (talk) 08:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care what it doesnt meet or not, I'm one of the contributors on kickboxing here in wiki and it's a notable French promotion. Simple as that.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

it has to meet notability criteria to be a Wikipedia article. you have provided no sources to prove notability. LibStar (talk) 08:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[2] one from the leading french muaythai website.
[3] results form another martial arts site.

these are not reliable sources, you need something that is third party such as a major newspaper. LibStar (talk) 08:40, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On kickboxing those are as reliable as it gets.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 08:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[4] on this thread there's a link form french newspaper. you are arguing about a subject you don't know nothing about.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 08:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

see WP:OWN#EVENTS. Trying to discredit others because you're an expert won't work in keeping this article. LibStar (talk) 09:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What is this "Ownership of articles" has to do with me? I didn't create it, just trying not to get it deleted. Nothing personal buddy, you just made a mistake by tagging it for deletion thats all.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 10:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

KeepHi Libstar, as a kickboxing contributer on wikipedia I feel that the Explosion Fight events are certainly notable on a French Muay Thai scene that is arguably second behind Holland and Belarus in Europe in terms of support/prestige etc. Also of note is that some of the fighters in these events Kem Sitsongpeenong, Abdallah Mabel, Houcine Bennoui are top fighters and what we are trying to achieve on wikipedia (and one of the reasons I joined) is that fighters and events can be connected in a way that no other website can offer. Deleting these pages isn't going to help make our kickboxing pages more informative and/or consistent - in fact it will have the opposite effect. The pages also contain references so my suggestion would be to leave the pages alone and perhaps request extra references in the future. We also have a French (I think) editor Jimmy Peters who is putting alot of effort into French based pages - perhaps he needs to be informed as well. Thanks. jsmith006 (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2011

Keep Hi, I think the Explosion Fight Night pages should be retained because it is a new large french organizations which combat some of the best French and international fighters such as Thai or Kem Sitsongpeenong or Ekapol Juke not to mention other. I do not understand why the Explosion Fight Night page is subject to suppression because it cites several reliable sources. As the K-1 or It's Showtime for example... I can add other sources if you wish.. Jimmy Peters (talk) 12:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 19:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 19:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless independent reliable sources can be found. Papaursa (talk) 16:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article has no reliable sources that I can find. I know that's a problem for a lot of martial arts articles, but Wikipedia policy requires independent sources. Astudent0 (talk) 14:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete all Needs reliable sources. 131.118.229.17 (talk) 15:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone explain what kinda reliable sources? There's a links above, from third party sources, the most reliable french martial arts site and a link to a magazine article. Obviously you wont find anything from New York Times nor any other major newspaper. Majority of martial arts pages could get deleted if going by that criteria. I don't get people just typing Delete without knowing anything about the subject.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 20:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When I look at the four sources, I see two promotional blurbs on sherdog and 2 brief summaries of the results. Since routine results are not notable, I'm not seeing reliable sources showing notability. You're right, Marty, I've had martial arts articles get deleted because I couldn't find reliable sources even when I strongly believed the subject was notable. That's a common result in the martial arts project, but Wikipedia has their policies (notably, WP:N,WP:RS, and WP:V). Papaursa (talk) 00:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Marty, it's not about knowing the subject WP:IKNOWIT, it's about demonstrating reliable sources as per WP:RS in third party sources. for something to be included in WP it has to be recognised widely. otherwise all these martial arts articles are sufficiently covered in martial arts websites not here. LibStar (talk) 00:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even unregistered users can vote for deletion now. wow I didn't know that. Muayhtaitv.com is one of the most comprehensive sites covering martial arts, totally reliable. sherdog link was only put there because it contains the copy form french newspaper, third party source. [5] - Elite Boxing -Thai site in english covers the event here under international news section. But lets backtrack this little bit, Lipstar's claim for deletion was because according to him, google gave only 1 hit. - I googled it right now and for some reason ended up with 112,000 results for "Explosion Fight Night". Theres wide variety of martial arts sites in more than three languages covering the event.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 03:23, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

see WP:GOOGLEHITS. a large number of google hits is not an indicator of notability. how about some non kickboxing websites showing coverage of this? LibStar (talk) 03:42, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[6] from Le Telegramme. Marty Rockatansky (talk) 06:06, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.