Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fight Fire with Fire

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 22:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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De-prod'ed without comment. This is an album track on a very notable album by a very notable album. However, the notability of this particular track in accordance with the applicable guideline isn't established. The "References" section is in fact entirely blank, as one example of the lack of notability here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, unless sources asserting notability are provided. J Milburn 16:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• delete Songs which lack independant sources about THEM should be redirected to the relevent albums, per wikipedia guidelines. With only a few exceptions, non-single tracks from albums usually lack the references around which to build an article, and this seems to clearly fit that mold. If enough independant source material can be provided, this may be keepable as an article. But not as it looks now. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 16:48, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - As there are no concrete guidelines regarding the notability of songs, I suppose we have to sort of feel our way around. In my estimation, any Metallica song is notable enough to warrant keeping. There is enough easily verifiable information in the article to qualify as a valid stub. No references? WP:SOFIXIT. AfD is not cleanup. --Bongwarrior 00:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • As in the nomination here, there is a set of guideline criteria I'm using. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:MUSIC mentions some proposed guidelines. If and when they are agreed upon, several of those criteria can easily be met by virtually every Metallica song you have nominated. --Bongwarrior 00:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • • If that's the case, then feel free to demonstrate the fact. As it is, this is a song which wasn't released (therefore didn't chart) and doesn't seem to have third-party sources readily available and providing non-trivial coverage of the song. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong on this count, but simply saying as much doesn't demonstrate anything. Additionally, the fact that Metallica and this album are both notable doesn't confer notability on this or any other song automatically. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Response to bongwarrior: The problem is not that the songs have references that are not being used. If that was the case, I would be voting for keep with you. The issue is not a SOFIXIT issue. The problem is that the references do not appear to exist at ALL; as such, there is no material to build an article around. Therefore, the song should be redirected back to the album. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 01:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete All the written content is OR in my opinion. LuciferMorgan 15:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.