Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flash Mob Zombie

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The author was premature in his taking his article out of mainspace, but returning a problematic article to its author is one of the acceptable alternatives, and he is now aware of concerns toward COI. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 18:21, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Flash Mob Zombie

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Contested prod. Movie with no assertion of notability. No non-primary sources. The article boasts a filming budget of $0. Delete. Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 06:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This could be potentially speedy deleted for pure unambiguous advertising, but something in me believes that this guy will try to come back on to use Wikipedia as his own personal publicity site, so I think it might be worth the time to salt the article. As for sources, there's nothing out there to show that this film is notable. I've found one sole source that could be used, but other than that it's all primary sources. [1]Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I also found nothing to make me think that this project has any notability. Quite a bit of self-promotion but nothing much (other than Tokyogirl79's cite, which I confess I would probably have missed, well done!) that qualifies as reliable sources. I'd be looking for more relentless recreation activity before salting but I agree, the potential seems close to the surface. Ubelowme _U ^Me 14:25, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete First of all, it's not written from an NPOV. "Our cast...." does not show an NPOV. Also, it seems someone promotional and spammy. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 17:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Thank you for all your input. I assure you that the problems with this article are the result of this being my first input on Wikipedia. I did not notice that the language I was using seemed biased, and I have removed all of the sections that were causing the problems. I have removed all the external links, and rewritten the content to try and fit the Wikipedia requirements. On the Wikipedia documentation it only says that a reference must exist from a non-biased third party, such as the reference found by Tokyogirl79. I happen to live in a small town with only 2 newspapers and I was featured on the front page of 50% of them. I find that to be notable. The one thing I do not agree with on this article for deletion is the unfounded claim that I would, "try to come back on to use Wikipedia as his own personal publicity site". If my article gets deleted according to the guidelines I assure you that I will not return to wikipedia with this article again. My article has been summarily dismissed by the commenters above. Also, the comment above has broken Wikipedia's own Wikietiquette rules which state, "Do not make unsourced negative comments about living people." Since no one on here knows me I take terrible exception to these comments, and I have made the edits requested by this panel. I believe my article should be kept on Wikipedia as long as it does continue to comply with the guidelines set up for this website. I apologize for any rookie mistakes I have made as far as this article is concerned, and I will continue to comply with the recommendations of this article for deletion. Also, thank you to who ever added my article citation. I also noted on the Flash Mob Zombie talk tab the article reference I just could not find the link and was not sure how to make a reference on Wikipedia.Dfoulk1 (talk) 01:32, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, we need several sources to show notability per WP:NFILMS. One source does not show a depth of coverage enough for an article to be kept. For any given article we need about 3-5 sources to help show notability and in some cases that isn't even enough if the sources aren't in-depth enough, have all been released within the same time period, or use one source (press releases, other news stories, etc) as their subject. As for the comment, it was not meant to be negative. It was me calling it as I saw it, which was that you came on to Wikipedia to add your own personal movie to the website in an attempt to gain publicity. It's something that many people do, which is why I said it. Your edits seemed to suggest more than a passing familiarity with Wikipedia, so I assumed that you were somewhat aware of the protocol. Even if it was a little "bite the newbie", the concerns still stand that the article was written in a highly promotional manner (which has been dealt with for the most part) and there's only one source to the article, which isn't enough to show lasting notability. There's just no notability here and we can't keep articles on the basis that it might one day achieve notability.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 03:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am a web designer and I am familiar with many languages so I just made my page the best I could based on what I could find that others had done as far as formatting goes. I did not realize I needed so many sources, and if my page must be removed can it go back to the sand box until such sources can be made available. I would hate to lose all the work I put into my initial endeavor on wikipedia over a simple misunderstanding of proper posting procedures.Dfoulk1 (talk) 04:53, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a problem with that, but I would highly recommend that you get someone with Wikipedia:WikiProject Film to assist you throughout in order to keep there from being any big conflict of interest with you editing an article about something that you are heavily involved with and stand to gain from. I personally recommend the user Schmidt, as he's one of the coordinators of the project and is a wealth of information. 06:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and Userfy this to User:Dfoulk1/sandbox/Flash Mob Zombie per the request above. And to User:Dfoulk1... you can ask me to do this even if this gets deleted. I encourage you study the inclusion criteria set for films by WP:NF, to see that sometimes it is simply Too Soon for a film article. If the film is not covered in multiple reliable sources, it will be difficult to show it as notable. And another concern is your username... it leads us to believe you may be the film's creator David P. Foulk. I would advise strongly that you read WP:NAY and understand Wikipedia;s concerns toward conflict of interest when an editor writes about something with which he has a too close a personal interest. And even after getting it back, seek input and advice from others and have it doubly and triply checked to be sure it qualifies for inclusion... and then have the reviewing editor place it in article space. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moved I have moved the page Flash Mob Zombie to the new namespace User:Dfoulk1/sandbox/Flash Mob Zombie as listed in the post above. Thank you Schmidt for the links to the information. Now I have two questions. 1. Is it ok to remove the deletion notices from the page User:Dfoulk1/sandbox/Flash Mob Zombie? 2. What is the correct way to contact some one through Wikipedia, say Schmidt,to help this page get put back in the main wiki space when it is ready? Is there like a message function or chat somewhere that I have missed? Also just to be clear I definitely am David P. Foulk and have never said that I was not. I understand the need to remain nuetral but I only posted the page because I thought I met the criteria, and also because I thought who better to tell people the gritty details of my project but me. No one else but me could ever know all of the things that happened during filming or even about the information that some people may want to know about this movie, and I just thought that would make the article more detailed eventually. I never meant to break the rules and regulations of Wikipedia. Thank you all for your help. Dfoulk1 (talk) 05:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.