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The result was no consensus. after several relistings, there does not appear to be consensus. DGG ( talk ) 05:51, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Francois Huynh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
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No indication of notability, no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, none found via Google Web or Google News using various versions of his name, including Wong Cheung-fat. The article was prodded, but of the sources added with the removal of the prod template only one was a reliable secondary source, and that one only mentioned Huynh in passing. Huon (talk) 16:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve. A notable celebrity for his participation in the pageant, his affairs, and as an artiste for TVB. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 16:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)blocked as sock[reply]
- Keep will need improvement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeyBilout (talk • contribs) 16:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC) — HeyBilout (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. The main criteria to consider here must be notability, and if he is indeed notable, this must be backed up by reliable sources. Nothing has been added to make this article worthy of a place here. The only possible reliable source, The Standard, mentions Huynh's name in passing as somebody having an affair - not significant coverage. Cloudz679 07:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, the main concern here will be translation of available sourses to show his winning a notable award and having significant roles in multiple notable productions,[1] as notability is not dependent upon sources be in an article, but upon them being available. That "nothing has been added" to the article yet is not quite the major concern. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 22:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bmusician 01:44, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable artiste. 147.8.102.172 (talk) 07:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)— 147.8.102.172 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. and probably a sock(blocked for block evasion)[reply]
- Keep Meets WP:ENT and WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG.[2] Non-English sources are quite fine when English sources are not available. We do not expect nor demand everything notable to be sourcable only in English... and indeed, such is to be expected for someone determinable as notable outside the West. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Relisting comment: Relisted to allow for further discussion of Schmidt's newly presented argument.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 18:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The Google Search results presented by MichaelQSchmidt are worthless. One is a press release, another three (of twelve) aren't about this Francois Huynh at all, and the majority of the Vietnamese sources (not all of which are independent) is yellow press coverage along the lines of "Huynh goes shopping with his girlfriend" or "Huynh photographed with mysterious girl". If we were to rewrite this article per WP:WEIGHT, it would be something along the lines of "Francois Huynh is a man who had an older girlfriend named Karen. After he broke up with her, he was photographed with another woman." His "multiple significant roles" have not been the subject of any coverage, as far as I can tell. Winning Mr. Hong Kong 2007 might make Huynh notable, but I doubt that's a notable competition in the first place. It's the Hong Kong section of Mister World which was deleted for a lack of notability. Huon (talk) 19:24, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- That paparazzi follow him around and gossip about him must certainly be annoying for him... but one must wonder why they have chosen to do so. Just as with the article on his brother that the nominator failed to get deleted, and like it or not, of note to the millions in Hong Kong is perfectly fine for en.Wikipedia. I'll do what I can to translate some sources later today, as even the articles about he and his girlfriend out shopping, offer required verifibility of other aspects of the article. And as for the Mister World article being weakly deleted after a meager discussion by 4 editors... and it was NOT unanimous... that article may well be back once the topic gets more attention from Wikipedia editors interested in CHinese topics, as it DOES have sourcability and arguable notability. And yes, Mr. Hong Kong itself needs work, but we do well to not judge something viewed by literally millions of Chinese as automatically non-notable, and perhaps spennd more thime searching for sources and encouraging that hardcopy sources be brought forward. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you please explain why the international Mister World pageant (whose article got deleted) should be a "Chinese topic"? Regarding Huynh, I believe his affair was of interest because his girlfriend's former friend is an extremely wealthy businessman who tried to reclaim gifts worth millions of $HK when she left him for Huynh - but notability is not inherited. Even if Huynh were shown to be notable, per WP:WEIGHT we should cover "all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint", and unless you want to claim that WP:WEIGHT (like WP:BURDEN?) does not hold for Chinese topics, his love affairs should get a much more prominent coverage in the article than his acting career which isn't supported by any references whatsoever. Basically we would have to rewrite the article entirely. Huon (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- That paparazzi follow him around and gossip about him must certainly be annoying for him... but one must wonder why they have chosen to do so. Just as with the article on his brother that the nominator failed to get deleted, and like it or not, of note to the millions in Hong Kong is perfectly fine for en.Wikipedia. I'll do what I can to translate some sources later today, as even the articles about he and his girlfriend out shopping, offer required verifibility of other aspects of the article. And as for the Mister World article being weakly deleted after a meager discussion by 4 editors... and it was NOT unanimous... that article may well be back once the topic gets more attention from Wikipedia editors interested in CHinese topics, as it DOES have sourcability and arguable notability. And yes, Mr. Hong Kong itself needs work, but we do well to not judge something viewed by literally millions of Chinese as automatically non-notable, and perhaps spennd more thime searching for sources and encouraging that hardcopy sources be brought forward. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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