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The result was Keep. PeaceNT 03:02, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This was originally deleted as a copyvio; however, one later revision did constitute original content. DRV found an assertion of notability, as well as several possible sources. This matter is submitted to AfD for full consideration. This is a procedural listing, so I abstain. Xoloz 15:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete as only one independent source seems to be cited in the article -- if more are found, I might change to keep. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 17:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep In my opinion none of the sources currently cited are independent enough to prove notability, as they're all from the Fu Jow Pai Federation.However, I did find an article from a U.S.-based Chinese newspaper which discusses it non-trivially: [1] (one of the eight GHits for 虎爪派, i.e. "Fu Jow Pai" in Chinese[2]). There's also a couple of more hits in the Google News English archives which I can't access, one of them (the Florida one) which looks like it might be non-trivial: [3]. cab 02:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Comment: (article's primary author) Not clear on the req'd breadth of notability. One difficulty is that Fu Jow Pai is inseparable from its Grand Master (Wai Hong); this is common in martial arts (try separating Jeet Kune Do from Bruce Lee). Here are a few other items/fun-facts of notability about the system which could be added to the article (but I'm not sure of the ideal format; "pop-culture references" ?). A) Grand Master Wai Hong was named by Inside Kung Fu Magazine as the 2nd most influential person in American Kung Fu, #1 was Bruce Lee. B) (pop-culture) System was one of the challengers to Jet Li in his recent movie, Fearless. C) Fu Jow Pai was identified in several of the Mortal Kombat video games as studied by three fictional characters (Nitara, Daegon, Sindel). D) Fu Jow was studied by Morgan Fairchild [4]. Fujowpai 05:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC) (J Scribner)[reply]
- Keep (changed vote) Thanks for your latest expansion (after I made my comment above); the sources you have there now seem fine for establishing notability. As for the additional facts, we try to avoid "Trivia" list sections in articles (see WP:TRIVIA), but a "List of practitioners" section (Morgan Fairchild and anyone else) should be fine, and some of that seems worth mentioning in the body of the article itself. If you can find a source, you might also want to add the Mortal Kombat info to the articles of the individual characters, and wikilink it back to the Fu Jow Pai article. Cheers, cab 06:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: (article's primary author) Not clear on the req'd breadth of notability. One difficulty is that Fu Jow Pai is inseparable from its Grand Master (Wai Hong); this is common in martial arts (try separating Jeet Kune Do from Bruce Lee). Here are a few other items/fun-facts of notability about the system which could be added to the article (but I'm not sure of the ideal format; "pop-culture references" ?). A) Grand Master Wai Hong was named by Inside Kung Fu Magazine as the 2nd most influential person in American Kung Fu, #1 was Bruce Lee. B) (pop-culture) System was one of the challengers to Jet Li in his recent movie, Fearless. C) Fu Jow Pai was identified in several of the Mortal Kombat video games as studied by three fictional characters (Nitara, Daegon, Sindel). D) Fu Jow was studied by Morgan Fairchild [4]. Fujowpai 05:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC) (J Scribner)[reply]
- Keep (article's primary author) Per above recommendations, I added 3 independent citations: Inside Kung-Fu Magazine July 2006, Inside Kung-Fu Magazine Feb 1995, New Martial Hero Magazine "15"/2006 (chinese with english translation). At least 2 other Inside Kung-Fu articles exist from 80's and 90's, am working to get full citations for those in order to add. Fujowpai 04:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC) (J Scribner)[reply]
- Keep Legitimate martial art. JJL 18:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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