Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of Australian banknotes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was RESULT is delete. Gnangarra 01:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery of Australian banknotes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Duplicates the content of Banknotes of the Australian dollar; there is also an article for each of the Australian banknotes. A gallery of fair use media is not an acceptable fair use, and galleries shouldn't be on wikipedia anyway per WP:NOT. Delete --Peta 00:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Not only delete, but Speedy Delete - on account htat I question the legality of reproducing these images online. It's currency, for crying out loud. --Dennisthe2 00:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Delete Per Dennisthe2, this can sureley be found at an Australian Government Website, Thus it is not needed here, and It it can be argued to be Illegal.Corporal Punishment 00:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I don't consider the arguments here appropriate for a user-level discussion, I think it should be sent to a lawyer to get a real legal opinion. FrozenPurpleCube 00:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that this doesn't seem to be the appropriate place to talk about legality, and I'm bewildered at the speedy delete tag, so I'm planning to remove that. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 00:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It would be solicitor in Australia. -- Librarianofages 01:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Since the problem of currency is a problem for more than just Australia(see the other discussion), I wouldn't suggest consulting an Australian attorney whether you call them a lawyer, solicitor or monkey in a suit. Better to hire a consultant who is a little closer, as an this is likely to be an extensive issue that covers most every country. FrozenPurpleCube 05:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • The problem is that each nation has different rules, and although Wikipedia is based on US servers images of currency are likely to be a problem if they contravene the laws of that country. Some countries allow images, some allow them only if they're specimens, some don't allow them at all. There really isn't a blanket answer. --Charlene 11:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Which is why you hire a lawyer who you can consult with closely in order to get answers for each country where it matters. FrozenPurpleCube 22:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Banknotes of the Australian dollar. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 00:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge They are legal as long as the resolution is not to big, its fair use so people can see what is and isn't real money. For example most people would not recognise old notes now at all.--Dacium 01:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is overly simplistic and misleading. The situation is more complex than that. I suggest reading what the Reserve Bank of Australia has to say on the subject. Uncle G 01:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I dunno about you, Dacium, but I'd wager that most Australians between the ages of 20 and 80 would be able to recognise the old currency within a few milliseconds. Jimp 16:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge Per above. -- Librarianofages 01:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This gallery shows banknotes past and present that may or may not be featured on anyother wikipedia page. Same as all other galleries. Please see past AfD's, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of banknotes (3rd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of banknotes, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of banknotes (2nd nomination) Joe I 02:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please read our Wikipedia:Copyright policy and Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy. Bare galleries of fair use images (The images on Australian banknotes are not licenced under the GFDL or any other free-content copyright licence.) are not permitted. Uncle G 03:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Banknotes of the Australian dollar where readers can get the context.
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 02:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge, because as it stands, it is a fair-use gallery, which runs afoul of WP:FU. Titoxd^(?!?) 03:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep for the same reason listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of banknotes 2. This AfD should really be discussed together with the other galleries. But when Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of banknotes 2 is overwhelmingly keep, the same nominator nominated the Australian gallery separately, instead of adding it to the list. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -- I am worried about the liability that Wikipedia can incur if a person can make forged Australian notes from this website. As someone mentioned earlier, there is not a copyright for these notes. Real96 04:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Counterfeit is not an issue. The current series, like Image:Australian 100note front.jpg, has a very visible "SPECIMEN" across. Even if there is no such word, the image is 448 pixel wide and the actual note is 158 mm wide, that means the print resolution would be 72 dot per inch. That is a very low resolution for printing photo, let alone forging money. 300 dpi is a minimum. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, merge. Real96 06:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge with Banknotes of the Australian dollar to provide context/content in accordance with fair use; the thumbnails are encyclopedically useful to illustrate the content. —Carolfrog 05:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Banknotes of the Australian dollar, it shouldn't be out there on it's own, but I don't think it merits deletion since the images will help illustrate the content of the article. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 05:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Banknotes of the Australian dollar, per above. --Shirahadasha 07:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and Comment you do all realise none of these notes have been legal tender for over 10 years? we use completely different looking plastic ones now. DanielT5 07:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel, I think you've confused legal tender and in circulation. These certainly appear to still be legal tender. - Peripitus (Talk) 07:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bloody oath there legal tender, I can spend any Aussie money from 1910 at face value. Enlil Ninlil 09:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Banknotes, like flags, are entirely appropriate for gallery style presentation; and if these images are fair use anywhere, they are fair use in a gallery. - Smerdis of Tlön 15:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete there is nothing here that isnt on Banknotes of the Australian dollar (with reduced resolution), and this isnt worth paying lawyers for. Keeping them on the one page can be more easily defended due to context and more eyeballs on the article. John Vandenberg 01:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Much of the early concern about showing pictures of banknotes is misplaced (I think). Nonetheless, Merge sounds right, but in this case there is nothing new to merge as per Jayvdb. --Greatwalk 08:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - There's nothing to merge as has been noted by Peta, John Vandenberg, Greatwalk: everything already is at Banknotes of the Australian dollar. Jimp 16:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge, as above. The gallery certainly isn't encyclopaedic, but it's ridiculous to suggest this is a copyvio or anything like that. Lankiveil 11:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
• Delete: As has been stated several times, the exact same images are already on the Banknotes of the Australian dollar article. No merge is needed. DCEdwards1966 16:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unhelpful duplicate.--cj | talk 04:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.